Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Ravenmore]

Camate how about you pass this on to the devs, they are not just craping on FFXI they are effectively killing any chance they might have had at getting current FFXI players over to 14. On top of 14 already doing the low drop rate crap they pullig here the critics will point to the mess they allowed to happen to FFXI and give people even more reason to stay away from your MMO titles. There is a limit to what even fanboys can put up with.

On another note which smaller studio do you think SE will have to eat next to get titles they haven't already put under.

[BotosiAsura]

Honestly all this shows is the dev's complete lack of respect for its customers, especially the long term ones who have been playing for a long time and have had their relics before the dynamis update. It's obvious what the community wants, but they'd rather be stubborn about it.

[Seriha]

Stage 2 aside, if concerns of people collecting marrow is wasted, then simply allow them to trade them in on the Stage 1 phase for X amount of kill credit, maybe 3-4 per. If the requirement is then 20 kills, it would take 5 or 7 marrows. Post-patch, people will then be more likely to be doing the fights themselves with others. Do 18 fights with everyone needing kill credit and they can all get 1 marrow to trade to complete without needing to do the last 2. Sure, people are unlikely to be doing more than a couple ADLs per Xarc, but for those operating in a linkshell, it's more likely everyone participating won't have a relic. Thus, the choice can be made to give the marrows to those who do so they can finish more quickly, or give them to someone who's not quite on that phase yet the ability to play catch up.

[Babekeke]

It seems fairly straight forwards to me... you pay the other 17 people in your group 1 mil each to do ADL with you. Assuming that you farm your own pop set before-hand, and can then farm another pop set with each group and kill 2 ADLs within that 2 hour frame; it's 170 mil for the 1st stage to a 99 relic. This is assuming he averages 1 UM per fight.

The fewer number of people that you can kill him with, or the more ADLs you can kill per run = the less it will cost you.

[Aldersyde]

It seems fairly straight forwards to me... you pay the other 17 people in your group 1 mil each to do ADL with you. Assuming that you farm your own pop set before-hand, and can then farm another pop set with each group and kill 2 ADLs within that 2 hour frame; it's 170 mil for the 1st stage to a 99 relic. This is assuming he averages 1 UM per fight.

The fewer number of people that you can kill him with, or the more ADLs you can kill per run = the less it will cost you.

Is this sarcasm? I really can't tell.

[Maacha]

It seems fairly straight forwards to me... you pay the other 17 people in your group 1 mil each to do ADL with you. Assuming that you farm your own pop set before-hand, and can then farm another pop set with each group and kill 2 ADLs within that 2 hour frame; it's 170 mil for the 1st stage to a 99 relic. This is assuming he averages 1 UM per fight.

The fewer number of people that you can kill him with, or the more ADLs you can kill per run = the less it will cost you.

You do realize that you pretty much need Perfect Defense in order to kill him, right? Since that's a 2 hour ability, you can't use it more than once during a single dynamis run. Unless you brought spare summoners (lol), you can't do more than 1 ADL per day.

SE already lost me and my $60 per month because of this and other "balance" issues, my accounts were cancelled a few days ago. I wonder when my forum access will be cut off...

[Tamoa]

It seems fairly straight forwards to me... you pay the other 17 people in your group 1 mil each to do ADL with you. Assuming that you farm your own pop set before-hand, and can then farm another pop set with each group and kill 2 ADLs within that 2 hour frame; it's 170 mil for the 1st stage to a 99 relic. This is assuming he averages 1 UM per fight.

The fewer number of people that you can kill him with, or the more ADLs you can kill per run = the less it will cost you.

Are you serious?? Worst case scenario that'll cost a relic owner 340 million gil - how can you, or anyone else think that's reasonable in any way, shape or form??? I really, truly hope you're being sarcastic - or could it possibly be the fact that you don't own a relic and maybe noone in your ls owns one either? "It doesn't affect me personally so it's ok" - right?


As for Camate's post - first of all, Camate you've said that you do indeed play this game, I wonder what you really think of this? And yes I know you won't answer that, but still, I do wonder... I'm also sorry that you have to post such nonsense.

The biggest reason for this decision is that it was explained previously on the forum that the basis for stage 1 enhancements would be item collection and their thinking is that as long as there are people who have already started collecting these items, it would be best not to change the trial.

So what? Seriously, so what? It's those players' own damn fault for jumping the gun, so to speak. And if the numbers were to be changed, and it turns out they have more items than they need, they could sell the excess, you know? Or what others have already suggested, if the trial is changed from X amount of items to X amount of kills, they could turn in the items and get kill credit. Or sell them to those poor saps that actually go for the stage 2 weapon.

[Damane]

I am done bitching. This is fucking pointless.
I am glad I will never start playing FFXIV and will stay away from SE products in the futur generaly.

[Insaniac]

I am done bitching. This is fucking pointless.
I am glad I will never start playing FFXIV and will stay away from SE products in the futur generaly.

I kinda agree. The past week not playing has been pretty awesome so I'm not sure why I'm still arguing to get them to change it. Maybe I just miss my FFXI friends ;_;

[Kimble]

I can understand not wanting to play MMO's by SE, but really going to stop playing ANY game SE makes?