Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Mahoro]

Again thats still you. How many people refuse to go back into dyna at all after grinding it for years for their northlands (hi rdms/thfs) AF2. All things come into play when trying to talk 17 other people into doing something as been pointed out with just trying to get 3 to 5 people to do the limit break. Wonder why its hard to do that people get tired of doing it over and over for no reward. The shadow items are not enough to get people to waste their time for a spot in waiting in line/lotting for them for a high chance of coming out the other side with nothing.

Yeah, didn't really count on the people who have Dyna PTSD. I was busy counting the people who want Arch Boss drops in Xarca and other zones. I might be the only one though!

[Catsby]

you cant really guage a value for dross/cinder now because the trial isnt even out, and come next patch the next chapter of VW will be out...those items may drop in greater quantity.

all u have now is dumdums rushing to get their 5 minutes of fame for being ZOMGFIRST

And it ruins the game for the rest of us with other shit we want to do (in AND out of game)

[Greatguardian]

you cant really guage a value for dross/cinder now because the trial isnt even out, and come next patch the next chapter of VW will be out...those items may drop in greater quantity.

all u have now is dumdums rushing to get their 5 minutes of fame for being ZOMGFIRST

Except that Jeuno Part 2 doesn't drop Heavy Metal Plates.

[Insaniac]

My guess would be that Zilart part 2 drops pouches. If they do make a Zilart part 2.

[Greatguardian]

My guess would be that Zilart part 2 drops pouches. If they do make a Zilart part 2.

I'd like that, but I've learned not to get my hopes up. I think the Devs are fully capable of expecting players to continuously do lower tiers if they want drops for Empyrean upgrades.

[Nynja]

Except that Jeuno Part 2 doesn't drop Heavy Metal Plates.

Except the use for rift cinder/dross isnt even in game yet, its actual use should coincide with the creation of the next tier of voidwatch

[Ravenmore]

Except the use for rift cinder/dross isnt even in game yet, its actual use should coincide with the creation of the next tier of voidwatch

You are trying to mix logic with SE logic, thats like crossing the streams.

[FrankReynolds]

Many of the arguments I see regarding "forcing 17 people" to come to ADL assume that all of them enter Dyna everyday to do their own stuff, and thus they are "giving up 1-3 mill" in opportunity cost. While this may be true in many instances, I would submit that the people who are trying to farm 1-3 mill each day in Dynamis are by and large the people who are trying to obtain Relic/Mythic of their own. But there are plenty of people who aren't working on Relic/Mythic. And Forgotten can be purchased for pretty cheap nowadays. I personally have no need to step into Dyna except for Arch Boss fights and drops.

If a guy doesn't do dynamis every day despite the fact that he could make 1-3 mil.....what makes you think he's going to do dynamis for you?

[Mahoro]

If a guy doesn't do dynamis every day despite the fact that he could make 1-3 mil.....what makes you think he's going to do dynamis for you?

For the last sentence of my post that you quoted. Or if it's an LS event. Definitely don't think ADL is PUG content.

[Babekeke]

Someone needs to show me how to make '1-3 mil' per dyna run ><

Is it just from BST solo?