Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Nynja]

Killshots dont really work because you'll wind up with the same problem once you eventually finish everyones relic: whos gonna come for 20 ADL's for no reward?

[Arcon]

Killshots dont really work because you'll wind up with the same problem once you eventually finish everyones relic: whos gonna come for 20 ADL's for no reward?

Your LS mates. Or, even if they're selfish dicks and wouldn't want to, it would still be easier to find other people to team up with, considering relics are easier to make and they keep popping up left and right. Deals could be brokered, statics could be formed, compromises could be made, it would by no means be perfect, but it would be doable. Especially if they lower the required amount. Unlike 20 items to obtain, which is realistically speaking impossible.

Anyway you look at it, killshots will always be better than collecting items, even in its worst case (doing it for just one person, a situation which is unlikely to arise).

[Atoreis]

I think you still cant understand that WHAT items are needed for trial went to LIVE server and only thing that was not ready and temporary at test server was Amount of those items require to upg. In which case only thing that I should risk is amount of those items I decide to gather before this temporary number will finally go live.
I also gathered Riftdross not marrows lol.

You all disagree because you are in those 99% that obviously want trial to be easier.
All I want to tell you is stop whining and start farming. I have items for 99 ready for a month now and I share all gils with my friend and we both have work (normal 5 days a week 8h). I farmed/got those dross between gathering coins for his 3rd relic so I have no idea how ppl can say its hard to gather 1500 HMP and 60 dross.
Relic trial is stupid but to fix it they should add more drops to ADL and maybe add one 100% drop from normal DL not change whole trial to something else.

[Babekeke]

Add a pouch to ADL is the obvious way to go with this. Chance for up to 10 people to get an item from 1 kill. Add a chance for singles to drop from some other NMs throughout the zone too and you're golden.

In theory, all 18 members of the alliance can get a Riftdross per run (highly unlikely, but possible). And you could farm them until the cows come home, and get the whole trial done in a day.

[Runespider]

The responses we are getting are simply translations of posts made to the JP players on this subject, they aren't really aimed at anyone here.

I think they have some plans for relic upgrades to make this trial less retarded, they are just enjoying seeing us rage (or want to give a false sense of communication when they do add them), they are just keeping them secret for now.

[Scribble]

You all disagree because you are in those 99% that obviously want trial to be easier.
All I want to tell you is stop whining and start farming.

I disagree, but not for the reason you posted. I made a post in the forum for testing, but I feel that it would be better to change the trial to kills and not items; at least for the relics. I DO NOT want the trials to be made easier because I like the idea of working toward a worthy goal, but I would like to see the trial made to reward all those who participate and not just one person.

My proposal is to remove the item requirement and increase the number of kills required. In this way, you reward everyone who participates and it even encourages smaller groups to come together to complete goals. Bring back a little bit of the sense of community that people had when larger groups and cooperation were required to complete certain tasks.

[Atoreis]

I disagree, but not for the reason you posted. I made a post in the forum for testing, but I feel that it would be better to change the trial to kills and not items; at least for the relics. I DO NOT want the trials to be made easier because I like the idea of working toward a worthy goal, but I would like to see the trial made to reward all those who participate and not just one person.

My proposal is to remove the item requirement and increase the number of kills required. In this way, you reward everyone who participates and it even encourages smaller groups to come together to complete goals. Bring back a little bit of the sense of community that people had when larger groups and cooperation were required to complete certain tasks.

How about ppl that dont want to upg relic and are needed for kill? they wont be rewarded at all.
Far better suggestion is the one made by bebekeke. Add pouch and more drop sources and split items so the ones who need can get for themself and the ones who dont can have gils from selling.

[Tamoa]

I think you still cant understand that WHAT items are needed for trial went to LIVE server and only thing that was not ready and temporary at test server was Amount of those items require to upg. In which case only thing that I should risk is amount of those items I decide to gather before this temporary number will finally go live.
I also gathered Riftdross not marrows lol.

You all disagree because you are in those 99% that obviously want trial to be easier.
All I want to tell you is stop whining and start farming. I have items for 99 ready for a month now and I share all gils with my friend and we both have work (normal 5 days a week 8h). I farmed/got those dross between gathering coins for his 3rd relic so I have no idea how ppl can say its hard to gather 1500 HMP and 60 dross.
Relic trial is stupid but to fix it they should add more drops to ADL and maybe add one 100% drop from normal DL not change whole trial to something else.

Bulls**t.

All I said was that if SE changes the requirement for stage 1 lvl 99 empyrean weapon, it's all on you, you took a gamble and you lost.

As for the lvl 95 and 99 empyrean trials, I think they are harsh due to the low drop rates on both plates and riftcinder/riftdross. I'm currently working on 95 Ukon, buying plates here and there as well as joining shout groups, but I refuse to dedicate 100% of my online time to this trial. That'll burn me out faster than anything else, and I don't want that to happen, this is a game and not a job. So it'll take a while for me to finish, and I can live with that.

[Nynja]

Your LS mates. Or, even if they're selfish dicks and wouldn't want to, it would still be easier to find other people to team up with, considering relics are easier to make and they keep popping up left and right. Deals could be brokered, statics could be formed, compromises could be made, it would by no means be perfect, but it would be doable. Especially if they lower the required amount. Unlike 20 items to obtain, which is realistically speaking impossible.

Anyway you look at it, killshots will always be better than collecting items, even in its worst case (doing it for just one person, a situation which is unlikely to arise).

/sh Looking for people to kill ADL for relic 99 upgrade
BST>> I'm in
BST>> invite to join party
BST>> I'm in
BST>> invite to join party
PLD>> I'll come
THF>> I'm in
BST>> I'm in
BST>> invite to join party

Thats gonna get you really far...cause your support team wont want to waste another 4 weeks dynamis time then they've already lost. Remember each person is accountable for roughly 100 currency in dynamis (its a rough estimate, I'm aware bst can do ~170 solo, but I'm also aware bst can do 50 when most of their yellow mobs get jacked), and at 8k/currency, thats 800k lost not including forgottens, over 30 days, thats 24 million gil you're essentially taking from someone.

You all disagree because you are in those 99% that obviously want trial to be easier.
All I want to tell you is stop whining and start farming. I have items for 99 ready for a month now and I share all gils with my friend and we both have work (normal 5 days a week 8h). I farmed/got those dross between gathering coins for his 3rd relic so I have no idea how ppl can say its hard to gather 1500 HMP and 60 dross.
Relic trial is stupid but to fix it they should add more drops to ADL and maybe add one 100% drop from normal DL not change whole trial to something else.

You have 99 items for emp weapons, we get it. No ones saying the Emp trial at 99 is ridiculous, the ridiculous portion is the HMP, because theres MAYBE 30 emps (I'm guessing, we can all agree its NOT a lot) at lv95 across all the servers since the induction of HMP's, which was introduced over 4 months ago. We get it, you bought up riftdross/cinder in advance, congrats.

None of ANYTHING in this thread has ANYTHING to do with Empyrean weapon upgrades. It has everything to do with Mythics and Relics...the mythics was mostly resolved with the change to zeni, and anyone complaining is just buthurt they cant finish in 2 days. I get it, you had to farm 30k alex and kill the beastmen kings and BLAH BLAH BLAH then kill a t4 ZNM 3 times then kill a salvage boss 3 times (the only real tedious trial is the alex btw, the rest is negligible, or should have previously been done doing older content). So were left with relics, a currently proposed trial that forces 17 people to piss away a month of their own dynamis time, their own currency and/or missing AF2 and/or missing AF2-1 and/or forgotten item farming time, so someone can upgrade a relic to 99...in a fight that is ENTIRELY luck based, for ONE relic.

So please, drop the BS "stop whining and start farming", you cant just get up and go "hey im gonna go join an ADL shout group" like you can for your riftdross, cause guess what: ADL doesnt get killed.

I disagree, but not for the reason you posted. I made a post in the forum for testing, but I feel that it would be better to change the trial to kills and not items; at least for the relics. I DO NOT want the trials to be made easier because I like the idea of working toward a worthy goal, but I would like to see the trial made to reward all those who participate and not just one person.

My proposal is to remove the item requirement and increase the number of kills required. In this way, you reward everyone who participates and it even encourages smaller groups to come together to complete goals. Bring back a little bit of the sense of community that people had when larger groups and cooperation were required to complete certain tasks.

Please people stop suggesting killshots. You're going to run into the same problem down the line when there are a handful of 95 relics.
Look at the 95 cap fight, anyone who missed the initial wave is still at 95, or quit because they cant find anyone to do the fight.

[wish12oz]

I started buying riftdross too =| But there's also a bunch of JPs doing it, so I don't feel bad.

I bumped the price on my server to 1mil each too~
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