Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Nynja]

Killshots dont really work because you'll wind up with the same problem once you eventually finish everyones relic: whos gonna come for 20 ADL's for no reward?

[Arcon]

Killshots dont really work because you'll wind up with the same problem once you eventually finish everyones relic: whos gonna come for 20 ADL's for no reward?

Your LS mates. Or, even if they're selfish dicks and wouldn't want to, it would still be easier to find other people to team up with, considering relics are easier to make and they keep popping up left and right. Deals could be brokered, statics could be formed, compromises could be made, it would by no means be perfect, but it would be doable. Especially if they lower the required amount. Unlike 20 items to obtain, which is realistically speaking impossible.

Anyway you look at it, killshots will always be better than collecting items, even in its worst case (doing it for just one person, a situation which is unlikely to arise).

[Nynja]

Your LS mates. Or, even if they're selfish dicks and wouldn't want to, it would still be easier to find other people to team up with, considering relics are easier to make and they keep popping up left and right. Deals could be brokered, statics could be formed, compromises could be made, it would by no means be perfect, but it would be doable. Especially if they lower the required amount. Unlike 20 items to obtain, which is realistically speaking impossible.

Anyway you look at it, killshots will always be better than collecting items, even in its worst case (doing it for just one person, a situation which is unlikely to arise).

/sh Looking for people to kill ADL for relic 99 upgrade
BST>> I'm in
BST>> invite to join party
BST>> I'm in
BST>> invite to join party
PLD>> I'll come
THF>> I'm in
BST>> I'm in
BST>> invite to join party

Thats gonna get you really far...cause your support team wont want to waste another 4 weeks dynamis time then they've already lost. Remember each person is accountable for roughly 100 currency in dynamis (its a rough estimate, I'm aware bst can do ~170 solo, but I'm also aware bst can do 50 when most of their yellow mobs get jacked), and at 8k/currency, thats 800k lost not including forgottens, over 30 days, thats 24 million gil you're essentially taking from someone.

You all disagree because you are in those 99% that obviously want trial to be easier.
All I want to tell you is stop whining and start farming. I have items for 99 ready for a month now and I share all gils with my friend and we both have work (normal 5 days a week 8h). I farmed/got those dross between gathering coins for his 3rd relic so I have no idea how ppl can say its hard to gather 1500 HMP and 60 dross.
Relic trial is stupid but to fix it they should add more drops to ADL and maybe add one 100% drop from normal DL not change whole trial to something else.

You have 99 items for emp weapons, we get it. No ones saying the Emp trial at 99 is ridiculous, the ridiculous portion is the HMP, because theres MAYBE 30 emps (I'm guessing, we can all agree its NOT a lot) at lv95 across all the servers since the induction of HMP's, which was introduced over 4 months ago. We get it, you bought up riftdross/cinder in advance, congrats.

None of ANYTHING in this thread has ANYTHING to do with Empyrean weapon upgrades. It has everything to do with Mythics and Relics...the mythics was mostly resolved with the change to zeni, and anyone complaining is just buthurt they cant finish in 2 days. I get it, you had to farm 30k alex and kill the beastmen kings and BLAH BLAH BLAH then kill a t4 ZNM 3 times then kill a salvage boss 3 times (the only real tedious trial is the alex btw, the rest is negligible, or should have previously been done doing older content). So were left with relics, a currently proposed trial that forces 17 people to piss away a month of their own dynamis time, their own currency and/or missing AF2 and/or missing AF2-1 and/or forgotten item farming time, so someone can upgrade a relic to 99...in a fight that is ENTIRELY luck based, for ONE relic.

So please, drop the BS "stop whining and start farming", you cant just get up and go "hey im gonna go join an ADL shout group" like you can for your riftdross, cause guess what: ADL doesnt get killed.

I disagree, but not for the reason you posted. I made a post in the forum for testing, but I feel that it would be better to change the trial to kills and not items; at least for the relics. I DO NOT want the trials to be made easier because I like the idea of working toward a worthy goal, but I would like to see the trial made to reward all those who participate and not just one person.

My proposal is to remove the item requirement and increase the number of kills required. In this way, you reward everyone who participates and it even encourages smaller groups to come together to complete goals. Bring back a little bit of the sense of community that people had when larger groups and cooperation were required to complete certain tasks.

Please people stop suggesting killshots. You're going to run into the same problem down the line when there are a handful of 95 relics.
Look at the 95 cap fight, anyone who missed the initial wave is still at 95, or quit because they cant find anyone to do the fight.

[Mahoro]

So were left with relics, a currently proposed trial that forces 17 people to piss away a month of their own dynamis time, their own currency and/or missing AF2 and/or missing AF2-1 and/or forgotten item farming time, so someone can upgrade a relic to 99...in a fight that is ENTIRELY luck based, for ONE relic.

Many of the arguments I see regarding "forcing 17 people" to come to ADL assume that all of them enter Dyna everyday to do their own stuff, and thus they are "giving up 1-3 mill" in opportunity cost. While this may be true in many instances, I would submit that the people who are trying to farm 1-3 mill each day in Dynamis are by and large the people who are trying to obtain Relic/Mythic of their own. But there are plenty of people who aren't working on Relic/Mythic. And Forgotten can be purchased for pretty cheap nowadays. I personally have no need to step into Dyna except for Arch Boss fights and drops.

[Ravenmore]

Many of the arguments I see regarding "forcing 17 people" to come to ADL assume that all of them enter Dyna everyday to do their own stuff, and thus they are "giving up 1-3 mill" in opportunity cost. While this may be true in many instances, I would submit that the people who are trying to farm 1-3 mill each day in Dynamis are by and large the people who are trying to obtain Relic/Mythic of their own. But there are plenty of people who aren't working on Relic/Mythic. And Forgotten can be purchased for pretty cheap nowadays. I personally have no need to step into Dyna except for Arch Boss fights and drops.

Again thats still you. How many people refuse to go back into dyna at all after grinding it for years for their northlands (hi rdms/thfs) AF2. All things come into play when trying to talk 17 other people into doing something as been pointed out with just trying to get 3 to 5 people to do the limit break. Wonder why its hard to do that people get tired of doing it over and over for no reward. The shadow items are not enough to get people to waste their time for a spot in waiting in line/lotting for them for a high chance of coming out the other side with nothing.

[FrankReynolds]

Many of the arguments I see regarding "forcing 17 people" to come to ADL assume that all of them enter Dyna everyday to do their own stuff, and thus they are "giving up 1-3 mill" in opportunity cost. While this may be true in many instances, I would submit that the people who are trying to farm 1-3 mill each day in Dynamis are by and large the people who are trying to obtain Relic/Mythic of their own. But there are plenty of people who aren't working on Relic/Mythic. And Forgotten can be purchased for pretty cheap nowadays. I personally have no need to step into Dyna except for Arch Boss fights and drops.

If a guy doesn't do dynamis every day despite the fact that he could make 1-3 mil.....what makes you think he's going to do dynamis for you?

[Scribble]

Please people stop suggesting killshots. You're going to run into the same problem down the line when there are a handful of 95 relics.
Look at the 95 cap fight, anyone who missed the initial wave is still at 95, or quit because they cant find anyone to do the fight.

LB is a joke. People who can't finish it aren't going because they don't have the cookie-cutter group for it. If you have someone with an item, just one, it shouldn't take more than a few minutes to get a group together. You're comparing this to ADL? Seriously?

How about ppl that dont want to upg relic and are needed for kill? they wont be rewarded at all.

These people are rewarded by not wasting their time. Why would you go to kill an NM you only have a chance at killing for a smaller chance at an item you could sell for less then you are (almost) guaranteed by farming on your own? If I didn't want to upgrade a relic and didn't want other items from ADL I'd farm elsewhere. Hell, if I did want items from an NM like that I'd probably still pass.

Why spend all day fishing when you could just work to buy fish and have money left over? You might not catch any fish at all and you'll be hungry and broke. People never consider the opportunity costs?

[Nynja]

LB is a joke. People who can't finish it aren't going because they don't have the cookie-cutter group for it. If you have someone with an item, just one, it shouldn't take more than a few minutes to get a group together. You're comparing this to ADL? Seriously?

lrn 2 reed

Im comparing it to the fact the fight is being dumbed down further cuz some ppl r stuck

[Atoreis]

I think you still cant understand that WHAT items are needed for trial went to LIVE server and only thing that was not ready and temporary at test server was Amount of those items require to upg. In which case only thing that I should risk is amount of those items I decide to gather before this temporary number will finally go live.
I also gathered Riftdross not marrows lol.

You all disagree because you are in those 99% that obviously want trial to be easier.
All I want to tell you is stop whining and start farming. I have items for 99 ready for a month now and I share all gils with my friend and we both have work (normal 5 days a week 8h). I farmed/got those dross between gathering coins for his 3rd relic so I have no idea how ppl can say its hard to gather 1500 HMP and 60 dross.
Relic trial is stupid but to fix it they should add more drops to ADL and maybe add one 100% drop from normal DL not change whole trial to something else.

[Scribble]

You all disagree because you are in those 99% that obviously want trial to be easier.
All I want to tell you is stop whining and start farming.

I disagree, but not for the reason you posted. I made a post in the forum for testing, but I feel that it would be better to change the trial to kills and not items; at least for the relics. I DO NOT want the trials to be made easier because I like the idea of working toward a worthy goal, but I would like to see the trial made to reward all those who participate and not just one person.

My proposal is to remove the item requirement and increase the number of kills required. In this way, you reward everyone who participates and it even encourages smaller groups to come together to complete goals. Bring back a little bit of the sense of community that people had when larger groups and cooperation were required to complete certain tasks.