Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Greatguardian]

Greedy, self-righteous gil hoarders? Nah.

Whiny, self-pitying clods if they honestly believed the drivel you're spouting? Definitely.

You've never even run an Endgame linkshell and you're telling me what it's like? Puh-leeze. Many leaders I've met have ended up like bitchy little girls after a while because, essentially, they're just not that good at delegating tasks and holding their members accountable. If you have to do everything for your members, you're not being a good leader at all.

Dedication? In good shells, it's not only the leaders who show dedication, persistence, and pride. It's the whole damn team. Do I work hard? Hell yes. Do I work all that much harder than anyone else? Hell no. I don't just work hard and expect everyone else to sit around and twiddle their thumbs. I work hard and expect everyone else to work hard right alongside me. I lead by example, sister.

Does a leader deserve nice shit? Sure. But so does everyone else. The leader is no more deserving than everyone else in a shell that's run properly. Wanna know a secret? Many shells aren't. Many shells shove all the work on the leader because your average pearl in those shells can't be assed to be knowledgeable about basic battle strategies and game mechanics.

Here's a nice rule of thumb, though. If your leader actually believes that they deserve more than their members by virtue of putting in the effort to lead, they are most likely a terrible leader. Leaders don't whine and complain about how hard it is to lead. They don't drown themselves in self-pity. Those are terrible leaders. And the ones that claim priority without the pity party? Those are just ripping you off.

Just because you've obviously never been in a linkshell that's worth a damn doesn't mean your outmoded, woefully extrapolated concept of "Leadership" is remotely accurate in the real world.

PS: The reason many shell leaders end up devolving into impotent masses of self pity is because their members really, really suck. Why would a leader take on 100% of the responsibility? Only real reason is because they don't trust their members to do their work themselves. Leaders burn out and become overworked when there is too large a gap between the skill of the leader and the skill of their members.

Good shells are filled with members that are just as good as each of their leaders. Real talk.

[Anewie]

Greedy, self-righteous gil hoarders? Nah.

Whiny, self-pitying clods if they honestly believed the drivel you're spouting? Definitely.

You've never even run an Endgame linkshell and you're telling me what it's like? Puh-leeze. Many leaders I've met have ended up like bitchy little girls after a while because, essentially, they're just not that good at delegating tasks and holding their members accountable. If you have to do everything for your members, you're not being a good leader at all.

Dedication? In good shells, it's not only the leaders who show dedication, persistence, and pride. It's the whole damn team. Do I work hard? Hell yes. Do I work all that much harder than anyone else? Hell no. I don't just work hard and expect everyone else to sit around and twiddle their thumbs. I work hard and expect everyone else to work hard right alongside me. I lead by example, sister.

Does a leader deserve nice shit? Sure. But so does everyone else. The leader is no more deserving than everyone else in a shell that's run properly. Wanna know a secret? Many shells aren't. Many shells shove all the work on the leader because your average pearl in those shells can't be assed to be knowledgeable about basic battle strategies and game mechanics.

Here's a nice rule of thumb, though. If your leader actually believes that they deserve more than their members by virtue of putting in the effort to lead, they are most likely a terrible leader. Leaders don't whine and complain about how hard it is to lead. They don't drown themselves in self-pity. Those are terrible leaders. And the ones that claim priority without the pity party? Those are just ripping you off.

Just because you've obviously never been in a linkshell that's worth a damn doesn't mean your outmoded, woefully extrapolated concept of "Leadership" is remotely accurate in the real world.

PS: The reason many shell leaders end up devolving into impotent masses of self pity is because their members really, really suck. Why would a leader take on 100% of the responsibility? Only real reason is because they don't trust their members to do their work themselves. Leaders burn out and become overworked when there is too large a gap between the skill of the leader and the skill of their members.

Good shells are filled with members that are just as good as each of their leaders. Real talk.

Was never a question that leaders and members can be equally deserving of nice things. I said I am not a leader of an endgame LS, unlike you, I don't consider doing abyssea with 5 other people to be "LEADING AN ENDGAME LS" lol. No. So yeah, I'm not running an endgame LS.

Someone asked in another post why any shell would be greedy enough to focus on one single person at a time for stage99 relic sponsorship, and asked who would it be, I stated it would likely be a leader and an officer and then HERE comes GG saying it would be selfish of them to pick a leader first.

You can try and derail and trash talk all you want, but it's not goin work booboo. The only difference between our opinions is:


YOU don't think leaders or officers are EVER more deserving of sponsorship or the more rare drops than any other members, because it's not fair.

My argument is that because a leader or officer more than likely does put in more dedication and work, they would and do deserve it, if only by the simple fact that they have put in more work and time into the shell. THAT IS FAIR.

You call trash talk them all you want but it's obviously you're just mad cause you probably couldn't have everything you wanted, when you wanted it. Did a LS leader jip you GG? Aww u poor thing.

Get over it, not every LS leader is a douche, just you and yours were. That's too bad.

Members and leaders are equally deserving of nice things, but priority should goto the people who worked the hardest and put in the most work.

REAL TALK BRO!

EDIT: oh so you're saying you don't work or do any better than any other member, Oh ok so you don't deserve priority. I AGREE, you don't. But That's you honey, and not everyone shares your opinion. Consider the shells you "ran", a grain a salt must be taken tbh.

[Alerith]

There's so much "lol" and nerd rage in Anewie's past two posts, I'm gonna need a half hour to formulate a response without simply laughing at her/him/it

EDIT:

You're a prime example of why the little people always got screwed in the old dynamis shells Anewie. Linkshell leaders do more work than the average member. How hard that work is seems to be something we will never agree on.

Just because you don't have time in your life schedule to effectively run a Dynamis shell does not make it hard. It means you don't have to time to run it and probably shouldn't be running it or that you didn't delegate your tasks properly.

But to say that leaders and officers should have priority because they are leaders and officers is completely asinine. Simple spreadsheet and computer work does should not instantly bump you up to the top of the relic list.

And as for your example, why should the leader get the Defending Ring first? Shouldn't it go to someone in the shell who can make better use of it like the LS PLD (assuming the leader isn't the LS PLD) who will be able to apply the ring towards future shell events?

Remember how Dynamis Lord drops used to work? PLD had priority on Shadow items because they could make better use of them for the shell than just handing them off to the leader.

And by the way, who are usually the officers in a linkshell like that? Friends of the leader you say? Interesting...

Oh, and let's not forget the "leaders" who finished their relics then left.

[Nordya]

All this talk about leaders and entitlement, it's just so depressing. I knew a few shells back then who worked like that, people backstabbing others for their precious relic, heck I got my relic armor ninja'ed by the dynamis shell leader back in 06. In fact last end game ls I tried was like this, the leaders get their stuff done, hours of farming to pop the boss nms to see them get their stuff. It wasn't for me.

I guess I have evolved from all this, I don't care to be told that I'm a WoW weakling or anything, WoW was actually fun for the years I spent on it. In the end, it all comes down to are you having fun? Since the 95 cap patch, I haven't really enjoyed this game. Now I'm on The Old Republic, and I am having fun. One of my oldest FFXI friend, that had his account since 04 and only time he hadn't paid it was during hurricane Katrina left because he wasn't having fun anymore.

But now that opens up a new can of worms. What actually is fun on FFXI?

[Anewie]

There's so much "lol" and nerd rage in Anewie's past two posts, I'm gonna need a half hour to formulate a response without simply laughing at her/him/it

[Greatguardian]

Stockholm Syndrome, bro. All I can think of for this chick. Does she really like being taken advantage of that much?

[wish12oz]

My LS is awesome+1

Can I join your LS?

[Anewie]

Stockholm Syndrome, bro. All I can think of for this chick. Does she really like being taken advantage of that much?

[Greatguardian]

Can I join your LS?

Wrong server bro D:

[Seankp]

I think this is probably the best way to make this acceptable to everyone.

Single Umbral Marrow from Dynamis Lord.
Multiple Umbral Marrow from Arch Dynamis Lord. IE... pouches with 5-15 in them.

This would make it on the same level of difficulty as 10 PW pops now with the HUGE change in Zeni per pic, as shown on BG here: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106...ndings/page162

I'd be perfectly happy with Dynamis Lord dropping 1 per kill.