Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[BorkBorkBork]

What do they expect when SE lowers its staff to have to employ players to do their testing for them?

[Insaniac]

Ehhhh, shoot the messenger ect. ect. Camate is just posting a translation of something Mochi posted on the JP forums which was probably handed to him by some jerk we have never heard of. Less comrep bashing more constructive ideas.

[Nynja]

The original post did state the numbers were temporary...but it was probably an attempted failsafe to the explosion that would ensue. Please remember Camate, test server had 1500 metal plates, we thought it was a placeholder number an would be fixed cuz 1500 is nuts...it wasnt.

20/10/60 had to have been concieved somewhere otherwise they wouldnt have been used. Imo atm the difficulty goes emp, being easiest, then mythic (with proposed 10x zeni change), and far far far away are relics. If u take out the Zeni change, mythics and relics are well behind the pack to emps. Alima and rex are routinely farmed, therefor rift dross/ciner will be created all the time, PW is farmed very rarely, ADL gets killed almost never. With the zeni change, If youre getting 1k per naul, you can have enough zeni for 1 person 3 boxing a pw pop in 7 hours, instead of 70, which is a major improvment. Someone hardcore, who wants to get their weapon finished in due time can get the zeni in 10 days, if they turnin 7x a day.

Relics need some serious adjustment.

[Nynja]

Also want to point out...had there not been such rage about the trial numbers, would SE have left them as is?

Just make a little story line to it, for relics:
"the true essence of your weapon has been found, imbued within the soul of the ADL. Defeat the fiend wirlding your weapon and watch its true power come forth"

All u had to do at 75 for last stage was defeat animated weapon lol

[wish12oz]

I think most people were afraid if they did not speak up, the numbers originally posted would of been what was required. Since we got so screwed over on heavy metal plates, as was previously stated. And I really really hope you can convince the Devs the the required numbers need to be drastically reduced or more bloody murder will be screamed.

[Juilan]

Camate, my post on what the Trials should be like were far more balanced and rational than what the the dev team has proposed. If they killed the ADL with a lv 95 relic say roughly 3 people and spent the time with the two hour limit in dynamis (and conning 15 people into helping) they'd notice how absurd the ADL drop items are. You may be able to get one pop every 3 days if you're an average player... but convincing 18 or so people in the ls to spend even 2 weeks on the non-glow part, you have too much faith in people who use dynamis as a means of income. Most of the people I play with, if not all the people i play with, wouldn't be that devoted to a -5% increase to my magic damage taken since it'd take less time for them to start a second account and book/abyssea burn a whm/rdm to 95 with all the subs than it wouldnt to finish stage 1 (even with 5 items). We're not shooting the messager, but we are giving you our criticism and utter disgust with the team you are the messager for since it seems there is no other channel other than these forums to voice said disgust.

[Coldbrand]

Can you look into adjusting Camlann's Torment while we're discussing Empyreans? Please? You nerfed the good ones, how about buffing the iffy ones?

Better yet, are the adjustments to all weaponskills coming like you said still? Or are you just leaving it at +40/30% for relics/mythics (and seemingly nothing for empyreans)?

[Washburn]

I'd say raising the rate at which you recieve Zeni is fine an all, but still requiring people to so that many P-dubs is "we todd did". I'd suggest raising the zeni, for sure, but at the same time, make the requirement more like killing P-dub 3x, not 10 items, 5 items, or even 1 item, unless those items are going to be in pouches like the heavy metal plates are (where you're guaranteed at least 5, but a max of 15)

[Nynja]

I'd say raising the rate at which you recieve Zeni is fine an all, but still requiring people to so that many P-dubs is "we todd did". I'd suggest raising the zeni, for sure, but at the same time, make the requirement more like killing P-dub 3x, not 10 items, 5 items, or even 1 item, unless those items are going to be in pouches like the heavy metal plates are (where you're guaranteed at least 5, but a max of 15)

I dont mind the mythic trial is zeni are offered at 10x value on plates. You can do majority of the legwork on ur own time and rally troops for pw kills. The fact u cant do it in 1 day with no effort is nothing to bitch about. You cant do that for relic cuz the adl pop items drop from mobs that are still a challenge to a pt of 99s.

[Alhanelem]

The difficulty (as well as time necessary) of obtaining the items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will be, in order of increasing difficulty, Mythic > Relic > Empyrean.

Rest of the post notwithstanding, isn't this backwards? I mean, using greater than signs, the list is right, but you said before it that it was in order of increasing difficulty.

With this as a basis, we are currently looking into and testing the appropriate amount of items, as well as the content of trials up until now and the obtainment paths for the required items. Once the amount has been decided after the investigation, we will be announcing the information along with the detailed thought process behind it.

What people really want is for these trials to be kill based, not item based. This way it's possible for people to work on their weapons at the same time, which is especially important for pandemonium warden, because you are not going to coinvince 17 fellow players to kill Pandy Warden for you when they don't get anything out of it (Don't try to tell us they do, PW's drops are basically obsolete now). Getting people to help you is going to be the hardest part of any of these trials as a result of them being item based.