Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Insaniac]

Ymm no.

Empyrean trial is fine.
Mythic trial is fine (considering 1000+ zeni per photo)
Relic trial is not fine

Best solution is not to change all those trials but add Umbral Marrow to drop pool of Normal Dynamis lord (100% 1 drop) and make ADL drop like 10 of them. That is the simplest solution.

Not to mention that after SE said what items are required to get 99 Empy some ppl like me started to gather them and they will (I will for sure) feel cheated if the trial wont require those items ( dont even joke with stage 2). I have 97 dross which I got for like 40M and I dont want to end up with 97 useless items (and yes I have 95 already opposed to 99% of ppl who whine about 99 trials and doesnt even have 95)

I may have not been clear but I was only talking about the relic trials. Emp trials are perfectly fine and mythic trials are even kind of ok with the new zeni values. Relic trials need to be scrapped and redone completely since neither of the other trials suffer from a "2 hours once a day" penalty.

[Atoreis]

I may have not been clear but I was only talking about the relic trials. Emp trials are perfectly fine and mythic trials are even kind of ok with the new zeni values. Relic trials need to be scrapped and redone completely since neither of the other trials suffer from a "2 hours once a day" penalty.

The problem is they probably wont change umbral marrow to something else w/o changing mythic and empyrean and that would be rude for ppl whole already started collect those items.
Only solution is to add umbral marrow as drop for DL or for example instead of treasure pool from ADL just put ??? after you kill it from which when you click on it you get Umbral Marrow. That will reward everyone in ally with one Umbral Marrow.

[Tamoa]

Not to mention that after SE said what items are required to get 99 Empy some ppl like me started to gather them and they will (I will for sure) feel cheated if the trial wont require those items ( dont even joke with stage 2). I have 97 dross which I got for like 40M and I dont want to end up with 97 useless items (and yes I have 95 already opposed to 99% of ppl who whine about 99 trials and doesnt even have 95)

I'm sorry, but I just have to point out that if SE decides to change the requirement for stage 1 level 99 empyrean weapon, it'll be your own fault for buying these items before the trial is actually implemented, just going by some numbers and stuff on the test server.

On the other hand, personally I don't believe SE will change it. I do wish they'd lower the number some, though.

[Atoreis]

I'm sorry, but I just have to point out that if SE decides to change the requirement for stage 1 level 99 empyrean weapon, it'll be your own fault for buying these items before the trial is actually implemented, just going by some numbers and stuff on the test server.

On the other hand, personally I don't believe SE will change it. I do wish they'd lower the number some, though.

Nope that would be true if http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Version-Update wouldnt been posted

*New Magian trials for Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean weapons have been delayed to allow time for proper balancing.
They are scheduled to be introduced to the test server in the near future and implemented in the release version in an additional version update.
The items required for the trials, however, have been introduced in advance in this version update.

They said the trial is delayed but those items WILL be used to upgreade those weapons. That goes to real server not test server.

Ofc you can say that they still will be used for upg... to stage 2 but thats obviously trolling.
If no those update notes or those items just introduced in test server you would be right but its not the case.

[SpankWustler]

At this point, the major complaint is that Stage 1 is just a snack-sized Stage 2. I was really hoping the two trials would work together rather than making each other worse.

I'd put the earlier concerns in an odd context. If someone tells you there's a 1% chance that an atomic bomb will be dropped on everyone and everything you love, that 1% chance suddenly seems horrifying. You'll drop everything just to fight that 1% chance with all your blood and tears and snot. Lots and lots of snots. Probably even if the chance was 0.1%.

That's how the numbers for the trials looked before Stage 1 was mentioned. A low chance of something really, really bad happening. Most people were aware that the number might be changed or something else might be implemented, but the fear that it might not was huge because of how awful those trials would have been. So, it was important to state that such nightmarish numbers would not be acceptable.

As an adjustment to the time required for both creating and enhancing Mythic weapons, we are trying to increase the amount of zeni received for each soulplate traded, so you receive over 10 times the amount. (Currently on the test server the data has been changed so you receive 15 times as much)

To add a drop of positivity here...This is an amazing change. It's more than anyone dared to hope for, but exactly what was needed.

[FrankReynolds]

We have been seeing a lot of pretty fierce comments in regards to the trials to upgrade Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons and I feel the need to comment on a couple of things.

The number of items necessary
Let me start off with an explanation and apology.

While we did mention that the number was temporary, it seems like many of you misunderstood that and took the numbers we posted as indicators of the actual values. Instead, we should have used numbers like 1 or 9999 to make it abundantly clearer that these numbers were temporary.

I do not want to risk confusing you all even more, so I will make this simple. The difficulty (as well as time necessary) of obtaining the items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will be, in order of increasing difficulty, Mythic > Relic > Empyrean. As such, the number of items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will not be the same between the sets of trials.

Well... first off, You guys screwed everyone with the metal plates. Then you acted surprised when everyone saw the dats from the test server with 500 items needed and reacted poorly. This is the third time you have put something stupid that virtually no one agrees with into the ultimate weapon trials. Why would we expect anything less than the absolute worst at this point?

Instead of telling us not to worry about the ticking time bomb in the room, how about using that new poll feature to get some feedback. You guys really need some solid data, because from what I've seen in game and on various forums, it would be surprising if even 5% of your customers like the 90-99 trials.

One of two things could happen. Either :
A) the poll shows that there really are a lot of people that like that stuff, and people just need to settle down.
or
B) the poll shows that you guys really need to fix that crap because your customers hate it.

Either way, you win because you get to make a game that people like.

Beating us to death while telling us that you love us is pretty demented.

[DrForester]

We have been seeing a lot of pretty fierce comments in regards to the trials to upgrade Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons and I feel the need to comment on a couple of things.

The number of items necessary
Let me start off with an explanation and apology.

While we did mention that the number was temporary, it seems like many of you misunderstood that and took the numbers we posted as indicators of the actual values. Instead, we should have used numbers like 1 or 9999 to make it abundantly clearer that these numbers were temporary.

I do not want to risk confusing you all even more, so I will make this simple. The difficulty (as well as time necessary) of obtaining the items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will be, in order of increasing difficulty, Mythic > Relic > Empyrean. As such, the number of items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will not be the same between the sets of trials.

As an adjustment to the time required for both creating and enhancing Mythic weapons, we are trying to increase the amount of zeni received for each soulplate traded, so you receive over 10 times the amount. (Currently on the test server the data has been changed so you receive 15 times as much)

With this as a basis, we are currently looking into and testing the appropriate amount of items, as well as the content of trials up until now and the obtainment paths for the required items. Once the amount has been decided after the investigation, we will be announcing the information along with the detailed thought process behind it.

In the meantime, we ask that you please stop focusing discussions on the idea that these values on the test server are the actual values that are to be implemented.

I have to be reading this wrong. Mythic is going to require the most time and effort to upgrade? It's already nearly impossible to obtain a mythic and you're making it have the hardest magian upgrade? Seriously, one single part of the Mythic Weapon quests requires twice the effort required for an entire relic weapon, and you're going to make it harder for people who go through that to upgrade?

You've unbalanced dynamis so much that people are getting Relic weapons left and right, yet all you're going to do for Mythic is increase the Alex drop rate rather than address the incredibly unbalanced reality that you need to obtain nearly twice as much Alexandrite as you do ancient currency (and Alexandrite is only part of the Mythic weapon quest line).

What the heck is wrong with you people...

[Raksha]

I have to be reading this wrong. Mythic is going to require the most time and effort to upgrade? It's already nearly impossible to obtain a mythic and you're making it have the hardest magian upgrade? Seriously, one single part of the Mythic Weapon quests requires twice the effort required for an entire relic weapon, and you're going to make it harder for people who go through that to upgrade?

You've unbalanced dynamis so much that people are getting Relic weapons left and right, yet all you're going to do for Mythic is increase the Alex drop rate rather than address the incredibly unbalanced reality that you need to obtain nearly twice as much Alexandrite as you do ancient currency (and Alexandrite is only part of the Mythic weapon quest line).

What the heck is wrong with you people...

I think it's poorly worded.

He said in order of lowest to highest, which would mean emps are the hardest.

the greater-than-signs don't help though.

[Babygyrl]

We have been seeing a lot of pretty fierce comments in regards to the trials to upgrade Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons and I feel the need to comment on a couple of things.

The number of items necessary
Let me start off with an explanation and apology.

While we did mention that the number was temporary, it seems like many of you misunderstood that and took the numbers we posted as indicators of the actual values. Instead, we should have used numbers like 1 or 9999 to make it abundantly clearer that these numbers were temporary.

I do not want to risk confusing you all even more, so I will make this simple. The difficulty (as well as time necessary) of obtaining the items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will be, in order of increasing difficulty, Mythic > Relic > Empyrean. As such, the number of items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will not be the same between the sets of trials.

As an adjustment to the time required for both creating and enhancing Mythic weapons, we are trying to increase the amount of zeni received for each soulplate traded, so you receive over 10 times the amount. (Currently on the test server the data has been changed so you receive 15 times as much)

With this as a basis, we are currently looking into and testing the appropriate amount of items, as well as the content of trials up until now and the obtainment paths for the required items. Once the amount has been decided after the investigation, we will be announcing the information along with the detailed thought process behind it.

In the meantime, we ask that you please stop focusing discussions on the idea that these values on the test server are the actual values that are to be implemented.
　
　
　
The accuracy of the content implemented on the test server
Regarding content implemented on the test server, we have been receiving comments stating that it is not right to implement content that has yet to be finalized.

We understand that some of these comments may come from players who have not read our posts or the information released with the road map, but I would like to explain again, because the test server is an important aspect of future version updates, as well as our development and QA procedures.

In general, please consider content implemented on the test server as content that is either in development, needing adjustments or in the process of being adjusted.

As soon as content is implemented on the test server, not only do players have a chance to test out the new content, the development and QA teams also perform balance checks and bug screening. It would be possible to delay player access to the test server, but this would shorten the time that players are able to submit feedback, which may lead to unnecessary delays. Therefore, we have our current test server for the benefit of all involved, so we would appreciate if you understand the reasoning behind our current implementation strategy.

No offense dude, but isn't the ENTIRE point of a test server and a forum, is to comment/complain/express opinion on the CURRENT test data? Yes we get that its temporary, even still, there is a chance this will BE the final content, and if we dont say something NOW that we dont like it, it will be implemented. The "Current" trials on the test server Stink, temporary or not.

[saevel]

No offense dude, but isn't the ENTIRE point of a test server and a forum, is to comment/complain/express opinion on the CURRENT test data? Yes we get that its temporary, even still, there is a chance this will BE the final content, and if we dont say something NOW that we dont like it, it will be implemented. The "Current" trials on the test server Stink, temporary or not.

Not anymore.

The team that did Abyssea used this forum for feedback on their content and to see what players want to be fixed. Tanaka and the team from failed FFXIV have absolutely zero desire to hear what you want. They only care about the JP players. They were basically ignoring the english forums until someone translated the Ala interview to JP for the JP readers to read and OMFG Holy Jesus explosion took place over there. The JP readers were pissed off with SE and since then SE has done their best to appease the JP crowd.

All these changes are due to the JP crowd's response. Camate and the other CR's just post what the devs tell them to post, but the dev's aren't answering your questions anymore, their now answering the JP's questions / feedback only.