Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Sparthos]

Why would you look for people to play the jobs your mule/mules does/do? Even if you don't have mules, and no one in your alliance of relic holders has mules, you act like it would be difficult to shout and get those people by offering them, and only them, lotting rights on all drops. Those items for the glowy trial would probably be worth a few mil still, and some of the drops from the other NMs aren't cheap either. Plus you can get 100's.

You're gonna get hundreds doing an ADL run? Unlikely, especially with the DL rate nerf.

The fact is the trials are pretty fucking stupid and offers very little for non-relics at the cost of requiring an alliance to win. If I shout ADL, I can offer w/e shit currency falls from killing trash mobs, the drops from the popped NMs (which arent 100% drops), DL drops (largely shit) and ADL drops (not in high demand).

No one is going to waste their time helping people unless it's just for fun. The trial is designed poorly through and through. You having to bring up mules shows just how low demand would be to assist relic holders up to 99.

[Insaniac]

I see what you mean.
But hey lets think outside the box for a second. Gives us an ammo item that gets inscribed with the trial. The item is all jobs so youncan go whatever job you want for the fight. Get the kills on any job or combination of jobs and hand itin. Voila problem over.
It seems we could do it this way, and party setup would be no trouble at all.

I thought of something like that but didn't bother posting it because really the fundamentals of the trial are bad. I agree though. That would help a ton with building an alliance. There's no reason not to ask for a completely rebuilt, simple, moderate trial though. With a gun to your head your first request shouldn't be "Can you just shoot me in the leg instead?" It should be "Can you not shoot me at all?"

[SpankWustler]

You're gonna get hundreds doing an ADL run? Unlikely, especially with the DL rate nerf.

The fact is the trials are pretty fucking stupid and offers very little for non-relics at the cost of requiring an alliance to win. If I shout ADL, I can offer w/e shit currency falls from killing trash mobs, the drops from the popped NMs (which arent 100% drops), DL drops (largely shit) and ADL drops (not in high demand).

No one is going to waste their time helping people unless it's just for fun. The trial is designed poorly through and through. You having to bring up mules shows just how low demand would be to assist relic holders up to 99.

Assuming the trial was kill-based there would be the added reward of selling the Umbral SadThing to a SadPerson. Only a little over a million gil a piece after an even split across an alliance, but considering the other rewards are exactly as awful as you make them out to be, a million gil each would be a pretty big improvement.

Plus, it's not a 100% win so you can't exactly consider it a million gil every night. Plus, some people would be giving up their nightly farming run for it. So, yeah, even if the trial were changed to "kills on any job while equipped with this SadBullet" it would still pretty much suck. It would just suck less.

A (presumably larger) number of vanilla Dynamis Lord kills would be an improvement. I presume the number would be larger because when gun's already out, somebody's bound to at least be pistol-whipped.

[Nynja]

Thinking it over, "X kills" trial would be equally as bad as farming X drops, since once everyones finished to 99, any new relics are left out in the cold.

[Greatguardian]

Thinking it over, "X kills" trial would be equally as bad as farming X drops, since once everyones finished to 99, any new relics are left out in the cold.

notrly if you just sell the umbral marrow to the server's resident tryhard.

You know someone, somewhere is going to do these ass-backwards trials and give the Devs some vindication.

[Nynja]

notrly if you just sell the umbral marrow to the server's resident tryhard.

You know someone, somewhere is going to do these ass-backwards trials and give the Devs some vindication.

but you know the LS that bothers farming them is going to say this
"You want in the alliance for 20 kills? 5 mil per invite"

[Anewie]

Lulz. You're really grasping for straws. I've never lead a linkshell for Abyssea. In fact, it's probably the only thing I haven't lead a linkshell for. Why would anyone need a linkshell for Abyssea?

You sound like someone who's used to dealing with some godawful members. Attendance is hard? Points are hard? Herp derp I can count to potato and put a number in a spreadsheet. Scheduling? Gathering? God forbid, job selection? Open notepad, it takes 2 minutes. Hell, back at 75 I was perfectly capable of saying "Make some parties and don't be stupid", and people would do it without any other instruction.

Try recruiting mature adults instead of teenagers and "adults" with the mentality of a high school girl sometime and you'll find that it's a night and day difference. Of course, it takes a good leader to attract real talent. Most linkshells fail because 1) Most of the good talent already has a home, 2) Most of FFXI's playerbase is woefully immature, and 3) Most leaders just aren't that good at it.

My rules were simple. I don't care who's screwing who, who dislikes who, or what you do in your free time. Don't give me a headache and don't let your girl's locker room drama interfere with my events and you're golden. Respect in = Respect out.

please GG.You are not folling nobody.

Lol at your "linkshell" counting as a large scale endgame ls. Aww honey, bless your heart1 (aka B**c, please)

Running a ls that did sky,sea,einherjar,various hnms,dynamis 5 days a week. Yeas that took work and patience and im sure leaders of the legendary endgame shells back at 75 would agree.

It makes much more sense when you know who GG was before abyssea. Lolz. W.e im done arguing with u. Ur ls was so amazing gg! And it was SO EASY to lead too.

Because ACLARITY AND WINGSOFVANADIEL were SO AMAZING, SO PROACTIVE, SO ELITE! right GG?
AMIRITE? Lol, bless ur heart booboo

edit: yeah most ls leaders have IT EASY! AND THEYRE NOT EVEN ANY GOOD. gtfo. Its an embarrasment to the hard working shellleaders who did well by their members w.o taking advantage of them. U go around spouting bs about how easy their jobs were and how theyre still not any good. I could hav been the most hated player in xi, but at least im not a joke player kidding myself into the thought that i was so amazing and leading was so easy. dude ur ls was never that good, u were never that good and that hasnt changed since abyssea. its just no one cares how good u are now and u can sit down trying to front. ur ls was never large scale and you know it. so stop lyin.

[Alerith]

please GG.You are not folling nobody.

Lol at your "linkshell" counting as a large scale endgame ls. Aww honey, bless your heart1 (aka B**c, please)

Running a ls that did sky,sea,einherjar,various hnms,dynamis 5 days a week. Yeas that took work and patience and im sure leaders of the legendary endgame shells back at 75 would agree.

It makes much more sense when you know who GG was before abyssea. Lolz. W.e im done arguing with u. Ur ls was so amazing gg! And it was SO EASY to lead too.

Because ACLARITY AND WINGSOFVANADIEL were SO AMAZING, SO PROACTIVE, SO ELITE! right GG?
AMIRITE? Lol, bless ur heart booboo

edit: yeah most ls leaders have IT EASY! AND THEYRE NOT EVEN ANY GOOD. gtfo. Its an embarrasment to the hard working shellleaders who did well by their members w.o taking advantage of them. U go around spouting bs about how easy their jobs were and how theyre still not any good. I could hav been the most hated player in xi, but at least im not a joke player kidding myself into the thought that i was so amazing and leading was so easy. dude ur ls was never that good, u were never that good and that hasnt changed since abyssea. its just no one cares how good u are now and u can sit down trying to front. ur ls was never large scale and you know it. so stop lyin.

This is one of the most pathetic and childish posts I have seen in such an argument. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

And no good leader from back in the day is going to say it was hard. What they are going to say is that they had a good group of officers to help manage the shell.

It's only hard if you're incapable, incompetent, or both.

[Anewie]

This is one of the most pathetic and childish posts I have seen in such an argument. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

And no good leader from back in the day is going to say it was hard. What they are going to say is that they had a good group of officers to help manage the shell.

It's only hard if you're incapable, incompetent, or both.

Again, its subjective. I find leading to be hard work. Many others do, and id venture to say any leader or officer of any of the big name hnm or endgame LS will agree that leading can be and is hard work. Is that saying it isnt fun and is a miserable experience? No. Is that to say it's impossible? No.

If you HONESTLY believe you could have easily lead a group of people the way EXCELLENCE, DEMO, BLUE GARTR did back at 75, not only are u FoS, but as I said before, quite delusional. Why would I be mad? Lol, bless ur heart sweety.

No on said leading shells was hard.I said it was hard work, and that's not nessicarily the same thing. Absolute Virtue was hard, gathering members, managing points, managing drama, keeping track of attendance, getting people gathered, figuring out wtf and organizing a large scale endgame ls, takes, shock(!), patience, dedication and hard work.

Now u can trash talk and say the members were drama infested retards who couldnt play worth anything, but truth tea tastes like this: they did more, got more and had more fun than you probably ever did. And they didnt whine about it at the end of the day.

If you honestly think any large scale LS, that required persistence and hard work to keep the shell running on top, was due to "losers" ls members etc, I can really understand why GG would say that. The dude was and is a butt hurt mad baby who didnt accomplish much of anything until empyrean weapons came out.

Call me rude or childish if you want, but shell leaders work hard to make and run good shells. GG has no exp in that and has no right to trash any shell that was ever on top of their game. Their game being whatever they wanted to do. Saying if a leader works hard for their members must be because the members are childish and stupid, that's insulting,although true sometimes tbh (lol). Leaders and members both can work hard for their gears, but leaders do tend to do the more work. This argument started when I said a leader is typically more deserving of the first loot.

All argument aside, my point still stands. Leaders are deserving of being the first to reep the rewards of the more rare loot. Why? If you must argue using GGs very silly and delusional argument that leaders only need to work hard if their members suck or are childish (ludicrous lol), it still doesn't change my point. A LS leader is also the boss, the HBIC, the ringleader, the captain, the parent and architect of the group.

The point im trying to make is simply, who better deserve the first sponsorship or reward of a rare kind than the leader themself? The answer is no one in most cases.This argument isn't about being selfish, you're all selfish as players in a sense that you think the game should cater to you. If you think you deserve everything under the sun at the same rate and value of the people who are organizing and running the shell, you are selfish as well.

If you honestly think a leader is selfish and so undeserveing over you, gtfo and start ur own gd LS. Hello? Because its so easy right gg?^^ Oh, you're already a ls leader, one who doesnt need to work hard because ur members are so mature and elite and independant! Sorry I forgot.lol Bless ur heart

[Karbuncle]

You're just going full retard now aren't you =.=a

to Elaborate: Some of the things you say make sense, But delivery is 90% of your credibility, and you're acting childish, petty, and quite Trollish