Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Anewie]

People in here talk like no one plays in a LS anymore. Granted, the balance has shifted towards lowman content, but is seriously no one of you in a LS that would be willing to help their own relic owners with ADL?

this^ my ls is decent and has a decent rooster.

Sure, my opinion is pretty outlandish, but there are plenty of people who ant archaon and sagasinger. People will complete this NO PROBLEM. Sure, ittle be annoying and take some time, but it's no way impossible for linkshells like mine. And my ls is nothing more than an average sized/skilled group.

[Zumi]

People in here talk like no one plays in a LS anymore. Granted, the balance has shifted towards lowman content, but is seriously no one of you in a LS that would be willing to help their own relic owners with ADL?

Most people do not have a huge linkshell filled with people that would be willing to undertake something like 20 ADL kills. Abyssea basically turned FFXI into a game where you do stuff with 2 or 3 people.

[Arcon]

As has been pointed out...you can pop only 1 ADL per run, and with the random nature of the fight, you will have a 75% killrate. It will take a month to clear out one persons relic.

What happens when u have 12 relics in your ls? Spend a year upgading everyones relic to 99? Remember this is dynamis time lost where ppl may be trying to upgrade their own relics, farm currency for gil, farm AF to upgrade...etc

I was talking about killshots right now, since that seems where this conversation was headed. I agree that it's ridiculous with the current trials. But I think if it was done with killshots, 20 would not be too much to ask.

Most people do not have a huge linkshell filled with people that would be willing to undertake something like 20 ADL kills. Abyssea basically turned FFXI into a game where you do stuff with 2 or 3 people.

I don't know about most people. And what Abyssea did can be undone, which is shown by the amount of people happy about Legion. People simply went to lowman groups because the game allowed it. If the game requires larger numbers again, that's what's gonna happen.

[Nynja]

People in here talk like no one plays in a LS anymore. Granted, the balance has shifted towards lowman content, but is seriously no one of you in a LS that would be willing to help their own relic owners with ADL?

As has been pointed out...you can pop only 1 ADL per run, and with the random nature of the fight, you will have a 75% killrate. It will take a month to clear out one persons relic.

What happens when u have 12 relics in your ls? Spend a year upgading everyones relic to 99? Remember this is dynamis time lost where ppl may be trying to upgrade their own relics, farm currency for gil, farm AF to upgrade...etc

[Syao]

The problem for my shell is that everyone has a relic or two, who decides who gets what first, I see no fair way to do it without potential to screw a lot of people over. I'm not selfish enough to make other people get me 20 ADL items when I can't guarantee I will be able to do ADL for a year or more.

[Anewie]

The problem for my shell is that everyone has a relic or two, who decides who gets what first, I see no fair way to do it without potential to screw a lot of people over. I'm not selfish enough to make other people get me 20 ADL items when I can't guarantee I will be able to do ADL for a year or more.

Um.. one person at a time? Sure, the leader will go first, but the leader obviously does the most work and shoiuld have priority. This is not selfish, it's common sense.

Someone doing more work and has more history, should go first. That's fair. Why have we lost this mindset?

Sure people can ABUSE it, but not everyone is a douche.

[Greatguardian]

Um.. one person at a time? Sure, the leader will go first, but the leader obviously does the most work and shoiuld have priority. This is not selfish, it's common sense.

Someone doing more work and has more history, should go first. That's fair. Why have we lost this mindset?

Sure people can ABUSE it, but not everyone is a douche.

What kind of 5 year olds do you babysit where the leader actually has to do more than say "Okay, here's the monster. Kill it."?

[Anewie]

What kind of 5 year olds do you babysit where the leader actually has to do more than say "Okay, here's the monster. Kill it."?

As usual, you're delusional if you think that's all there is to leading a LS.

But considering what type of shell you run/ran, I can level with you and laugh.

Leading and organizing events in a successful active linkshell amongst larger groups is much more than "here u go guyz! KILL THIS!".

Running a shell is hard work, and no one who was a leader or officer in any decent shell will disagree. That stuff can be very annoying.

[Greatguardian]

As usual, you're delusional if you think that's all there is to leading a LS.

But considering what type of shell you run/ran, I can level with you and laugh.

Leading and organizing events in a successful active linkshell amongst larger groups is much more than "here u go guyz! KILL THIS!".

Running a shell is hard work, and no one who was a leader or officer in any decent shell will disagree. That stuff can be very annoying.

The type of shells I run and ran? I'd like to know what internet detective Anewie thinks she knows about my linkshells, lulz.

Running a shell is only hard work if you let it become hard work. If you straddle along a bunch of retards who need everything explained to them in detail before every single event, then you should just /breaklinkshell and get new peeps. See, when you have a shell pull of intelligent, capable players who know what's up, you don't need to tell them much of anything. Everyone's already on the same page. Maybe you should try being in a shell with intelligent people for a change, you might learn something.

What? You think managing drops is super hard? Dealing with everyone's baw baw problems got you down? Not my problem. If your members can't conduct themselves like adults, and you can't handle them, then you just aren't cut out for leadership.

Leading in every shell I've ever run has always been a volunteer matter. It's a bit of extra work for no extra pay and if that's a problem people are always free to stop being a sack. No harm, no foul. Shit's just not that hard, boo.

[Damane]

As usual, you're delusional if you think that's all there is to leading a LS.

But considering what type of shell you run/ran, I can level with you and laugh.

Leading and organizing events in a successful active linkshell amongst larger groups is much more than "here u go guyz! KILL THIS!".

Running a shell is hard work, and no one who was a leader or officer in any decent shell will disagree. That stuff can be very annoying.

This purely depends on the Shell-Members you have.

Back on topic, even after 2 days this Trial still sucks hardcore in my eyes. /sigh I would like to have a DEV-Punching bag, but thats just me.