Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Nynja]

Imagine this in a video game when you start:
"We are going to make sure you're ready for your adventures by forcing you into a tutorial trial"
Press X to swing your weapon...good, good
Press Y to use an item...good, good, you're getting the hang of this quickly
Press the directional pad to move around, press it lightly to walk, and press it all the way to run...very good!

You seem ready for battle, to make sure you're ready, defeat this lv10 mob on your lv1 character, this is mandatory.


thats pretty much whats going on here (teamup WS usage, teamup WS killshots, teamup Attestation NM 5x, teamup Animated Weapon 10x...turn in 20 ADL drops, what the fk)

[Lynchilles]

This just goes to show you how much the FFXI dev team has lost touch with the playerbase.

[Rampage]

Making these just be kills would be fine. In an MMO you want to make your players feel like working toghether is good for everyone. This is why VNM trials are easier / fun to do with pick up groups. Imagine if everyone had to get 8 chesma(insert any other vnm) drops instead of kills. Instead of fostering companionship and working in groups you would have small groups camping the heck out of them and you either go camp with a group yourself or get frustrated and give up.

SE had the right idea making them kills before, i dont know why we are reverting, to "get 1% chance to get something you need 1 million of" method.

Further down the line kills and "get x item" is NOT the same. You can always find someone who is either doing a second weapon or missed the train just like you. The difference is that if its kills, People will band toghether for shout groups since it will be of benefit to everyone, if its item drop, no one is going to do shouts groups with people they dont know / might steal the item / might not get around to my turn.

[FrankReynolds]

Making these just be kills would be fine. In an MMO you want to make your players feel like working toghether is good for everyone. This is why VNM trials are easier / fun to do with pick up groups. Imagine if everyone had to get 8 chesma(insert any other vnm) drops instead of kills. Instead of fostering companionship and working in groups you would have small groups camping the heck out of them and you either go camp with a group yourself or get frustrated and give up.

SE had the right idea making them kills before, i dont know why we are reverting, to "get 1% chance to get something you need 1 million of" method.

Further down the line kills and "get x item" is NOT the same. You can always find someone who is either doing a second weapon or missed the train just like you. The difference is that if its kills, People will band toghether for shout groups since it will be of benefit to everyone, if its item drop, no one is going to do shouts groups with people they dont know / might steal the item / might not get around to my turn.

I dunno, I see people shouting for light staff trials all the time (Damn near every mage needs one of these eventually) and I rarely see a group of more than 6 people. Trying to find 18 people who have completed the 1500 metal plate stage is going to be considerably harder.

[Insaniac]

Making these just be kills would be fine. In an MMO you want to make your players feel like working toghether is good for everyone. This is why VNM trials are easier / fun to do with pick up groups. Imagine if everyone had to get 8 chesma(insert any other vnm) drops instead of kills. Instead of fostering companionship and working in groups you would have small groups camping the heck out of them and you either go camp with a group yourself or get frustrated and give up.

SE had the right idea making them kills before, i dont know why we are reverting, to "get 1% chance to get something you need 1 million of" method.

Further down the line kills and "get x item" is NOT the same. You can always find someone who is either doing a second weapon or missed the train just like you. The difference is that if its kills, People will band toghether for shout groups since it will be of benefit to everyone, if its item drop, no one is going to do shouts groups with people they dont know / might steal the item / might not get around to my turn.

The problem is you need a specific set-up to kill ADL. Shout for people who recently finished relics and you are going to get 3 BSTs 4 PLDs 2 THFs and 3 DRKs. Good luck getting the WHMs SMNs and CORs.

Edit: You know this is probably why SE thought that item trials would be a good idea. It frees people to go on whatever job they want so that finishing a 99 guttler or claustrum(lol) doesn't become impossible. I don't know how they couldn't have come up with a better way though. This just seems so incredibly lazy. They could have added a random drop item to normal dynamis mobs that you get around 20 of per run and need 500 of. There are so many better options. Timed dynamis NM kills or just a simple 1000 currency.

[Rampage]

The problem is you need a specific set-up to kill ADL. Shout for people who recently finished relics and you are going to get 3 BSTs 4 PLDs 2 THFs and 3 DRKs. Good luck getting the WHMs SMNs and CORs.

Edit: You know this is probably why SE thought that item trials would be a good idea. It frees people to go on whatever job they want so that finishing a 99 guttler or claustrum(lol) doesn't become impossible. I don't know how they couldn't have come up with a better way though. This just seems so incredibly lazy. They could have added a random drop item to normal dynamis mobs that you get around 20 of per run and need 500 of. There are so many better options. Timed dynamis NM kills or just a simple 1000 currency.

I see what you mean.
But hey lets think outside the box for a second. Gives us an ammo item that gets inscribed with the trial. The item is all jobs so youncan go whatever job you want for the fight. Get the kills on any job or combination of jobs and hand itin. Voila problem over.
It seems we could do it this way, and party setup would be no trouble at all.

[Insaniac]

I see what you mean.
But hey lets think outside the box for a second. Gives us an ammo item that gets inscribed with the trial. The item is all jobs so youncan go whatever job you want for the fight. Get the kills on any job or combination of jobs and hand itin. Voila problem over.
It seems we could do it this way, and party setup would be no trouble at all.

I thought of something like that but didn't bother posting it because really the fundamentals of the trial are bad. I agree though. That would help a ton with building an alliance. There's no reason not to ask for a completely rebuilt, simple, moderate trial though. With a gun to your head your first request shouldn't be "Can you just shoot me in the leg instead?" It should be "Can you not shoot me at all?"

[Raksha]

I see what you mean.
But hey lets think outside the box for a second. Gives us an ammo item that gets inscribed with the trial. The item is all jobs so youncan go whatever job you want for the fight. Get the kills on any job or combination of jobs and hand itin. Voila problem over.
It seems we could do it this way, and party setup would be no trouble at all.

The best way to do that would be have Arch DL drop a KI to everyone in alliance, then you turn in the KI to an NPC for an Umbral Marrow. Unles you can turn in the KI itself somehow.

[Nynja]

Trying to find 18 people who have completed the 1500 metal plate stage is going to be considerably harder.

Emp stage requires rift*** items, which drop from alima/rex...mob routinely farmed, therefor these items will naturally be created

[Arcon]

People in here talk like no one plays in a LS anymore. Granted, the balance has shifted towards lowman content, but is seriously no one of you in a LS that would be willing to help their own relic owners with ADL?