Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Dekusuta]

The real issue here is not just the time and effort, but the IOUs relic and mythic holders will have to place on the community.

I said this in LS, but SE seems to not be aware that the community has changed a lot, and is no longer the same community that they had in the game's heyday in 2004-2006 when a vast majority of players were younger. Those of us who have stuck with the game have grown up, and we can no longer devote 'hardcore' play time, which involves spending 48 hour weekend slots organizing alliances of 18 to fight some NM and farming. It's interesting that while most games reward tenure to MMO with special items accessible only to longtime players, SE seems hell bent of punishing their long time subscriber base. What's worse is this came off a period where they seemed to have understood the needs of the community, with abyssea being a fairly accessible field with good rewards. Maybe a little too easy, but it was the right way to deal with the aging community. The sudden shift in tone since last year was disconcerting.

Here's a compromise, make T1 for relics,mythics killshots w/ weapon equipped. They can do whatever they want with Tier2. 10,000 Tanakites or whatever. I won't be doing that trial.

[Karbuncle]

They clearly want us to do 1000 ADL so that when every Relic holder in the game gets the trial, it will put 1 more Sagasinger into the game.

[Unctgtg]

SE just give us 10000 WS kills as a second option instead of 20 Marrows. That would solve all our problems. Those that want to go the route of 20 marrows can, but let us have the option of either.

[Arkanethered]

Hey... Square.

You know why you are having to dumb down the level 99 cap fight for people?

It's because they missed the first wave of people doing it.

This will happen with relics if you do this.

Thanks.

[Nynja]

And yet strangely you're still the anonymous one who thinks Trashtar is better than Mandau...k troll

[Atomic_Skull]

And yet strangely you're still the anonymous one who thinks Trashtar is better than Mandau...k troll

Lots of relics are stronger then empyreans, and have been since day one, like dagger. Now quit trolling.

Please note that "troll" does not mean "someone who's opinion differs from my own"

People in here talk like no one plays in a LS anymore. Granted, the balance has shifted towards lowman content, but is seriously no one of you in a LS that would be willing to help their own relic owners with ADL?

That's pretty much what it is. They abandoned their big shells when Abyssea came out because they thought they would never need them again and now they are screwed because they tossed away the system of mutual support and personal favors they had built up over several years to dual box everything in godmode land never imagining that SE might make a U turn. Now they are raging because they're going to have to go back to a big shell and work their way up from the bottom again if they want to finish their relics.

[Nynja]

Please note that "troll" does not mean "someone who's opinion differs from my own"



That's pretty much what it is. They abandoned their big shells when Abyssea came out because they thought they would never need them again and now they are screwed because they tossed away the system of mutual support and personal favors they had built up over several years to dual box everything in godmode land never imagining that SE might make a U turn. Now they are raging because they're going to have to go back to a big shell and work their way up from the bottom again if they want to finish their relics.

Your opinion of "Twashtar is better than mandau" is as much of an opinion as "full perle/pink is the best armor set to use"...aka you're trolling.

who dropped shells cuz you could MNK+WHM glavoid? It just means the cliques in certain LS's became more restricted.

[Kitkat]

Please note that "troll" does not mean "someone who's opinion differs from my own"



That's pretty much what it is. They abandoned their big shells when Abyssea came out because they thought they would never need them again and now they are screwed because they tossed away the system of mutual support and personal favors they had built up over several years to dual box everything in godmode land never imagining that SE might make a U turn. Now they are raging because they're going to have to go back to a big shell and work their way up from the bottom again if they want to finish their relics.

No, that isn't what this is about at all. Most anything I still do with my shell and on average we have an alliance worth if not slightly over an alliance worth. The problem is the number of relics/emps within that group, and while it doesn't apply to my LS, mythics also. In the LS alone, as the trials currently stand it is to get them done 1 by 1. First 1 we might be able to squeeze out in a couple days because we have ADL pops already and a few lesser NM pops, but then it is a grind of doing it all over again and treking through the whole zone to recollect the pop items and the ADL items again. For mythic owners it is going through the ZNM tiers to get PW pops that is the issue. For what? One person? I know absolutely no one in my LS needs/wants anything of PW/ZNM let alone of ADL/DL/Lessers meaning you are expecting these people that don't have relics or do, to wait in line without any justifiable reward to offer them in return?

[wish12oz]

Please note that "troll" does not mean "someone who's opinion differs from my own"

I wasn't aware the math surrounding why mandau is better then twash was an opinion....

Please note your thoughts on what an opinion is, are incorrect.

[Obysuca]

(Not sure why it didn't post o.o Hit reply but anyways.) First, I do agree the amount needed is crazy.

And I'm sure I know where its going once I post this but, anyone else remember when Aby came out how people complained about stuff being too easy or things being handed to players without much effort, unlike back in the day when you had to work for stuff? Now that SE comes out with content you actually work for to get the reward, people still complain. I bet someone at SE is like "Wtf do you people want."