Victory Smite a waste of time for PUP?!

[ZanjithePUP]

In a recent update there was a damage reduction in Victory Smite which made me think about PUPs because ive been seeing more PUPs with VS. I have access to Victory Smite on PUP and im wondering why i wasted so much on a WS that's not even worth it for my main. the reason im posting this is to hear about some PUPs who have been using Victory Smite and how their damage has been after the update. And for those who use Stringing Pummel, what is their damage of their SP vs their VS.

[gilmour]

Depends, if you have Verethragna, VS still has its uses.

1) Skill chains / Self skill chains
2) Aftermath
3) Str and higher dmg then any other weapon other than mythic. Fire path is close if not ahead as far as total dmg at 99 since most people will sit at 90 VE and can easily get 99 fire path.

Best thing to do, open with VS for ODD then use SP until aftermath wears off. If you are brewing, VS is nice for its self skill chain light.

[Spiritreaver]

In a recent update there was a damage reduction in Victory Smite which made me think about PUPs because ive been seeing more PUPs with VS. I have access to Victory Smite on PUP and im wondering why i wasted so much on a WS that's not even worth it for my main. the reason im posting this is to hear about some PUPs who have been using Victory Smite and how their damage has been after the update. And for those who use Stringing Pummel, what is their damage of their SP vs their VS.

Personally i dont think VS is a waste of time for PUP. But at the same time, i really don't think its required either.

Again for me personally, my VSs and SPs are very comparable in dmg. VS chains alot easier and sometimes has a slight lead in abyssea. But my SPs is more consistent and soundly beats VS outside Aby.

Having both PUP and MNK lvl'd i find that the thing that truly turns VS into a beast of a WS is the MNK JA impetus. With that JA active VS on MNK can really become silly in how damaging it becomes.

And as PUP doesn't have an Impetus JA, it really just comes down to which WS you want to use more and work to unlock.

Stringing Pummel is ridiculously easy to get now(Nyzul is laughable atm for 3 lvl 99 jobs. With experienced players that are used to the event 10 floors a tag is zero problem-and that playing it safe) and i hate saying anything should be standard, but if you are serious about PUP, SP should a WS you have 75+. Access to Victory Smite isn't that much harder really, just more involved with all the item collection entailed after the VNM stages.

One other thing that i haven't seen brought up alot: lvl 95+. While technically possible, i know i am not going to be able to use VS with a weapon 95+ for a very long time thanks to SE flipping the script when it comes to Empy Weapons 95+. At the same time my elemental ToM weapon is lvl 99 now and i can still use trusty Stringing Pummel as much as i like.

Not a huge deal with how HTH dmg works, but i still personally like using lvl appropriate weaps as much as i can. Just a little hang up of mine.

Pre-Post edit: Re-reading all that, just want to clarify that i get the OP has access to VS at least. To me at least all that came off like i was talking to someone w/o access to either, as was not the case.

[Zhronne]

Depends on how you get access to Vsmite.
If it's through the WoE weapon I dunno if it's worth, depends on your other weapons but using Stringing with a Fire path h2h trial weapon might be better than Vsmite with the WoE one. (haven't tested/mathed out, just gueessing).

If you got Vere it should still be worth if anything for the Aftermath.

[ZanjithePUP]

I do have access to both victory smite and stringing pummel. im just wondering if other pups who have access to both think its a waste of time. i do daily tests between both WS and i have been getting average stringing pummels but very poor victory smites on average damage. i have rev fists but i have been doing side by side damage tests with other pups and doing same damage as those who have verethragna. i was wondering what other pups thought about victory smite

[Jar]

Smite even after the nerf will have a higher base crit rate than Pummel

[Zhronne]

I do have access to both victory smite and stringing pummel. im just wondering if other pups who have access to both think its a waste of time.

Yes, I think I got that the first time you asked °-°
And my reply to that is that doing Revenant Fists today from scratch is a waste of time, imho of course.
If you already have it then it can be good, altough I got the feeling that using Shijin Spiral or Stringing Pummel with other weapons (STR path maybe?) would produce better results thant Revenant and Victory Smite.
Let me also remind you that after the +2 version, it requires pretty retarded trials to be enhanced further (200 Dices and 200 Luminal thingies if I recall)

[Camwin]

No matter how you look at it, rev path is just not worth it at all. You may get victory smite, but opposed to fire path there is no comparison. Revs have no stats except for the higher damage tier, which is easily beaten by 11 str and 22 attack. So even if your smites will do more damage, that damage difference will more than be made up for in the tp phase for the fire paths. And I've parsed against pups with 95 revs and even then my pummels were doing more and more consistently.

[Kristal]

I have a Revenant Fist +2, as well as a Verethragna 90. I hoped they would somehow tie the two branches together, but unless they make it a requirement for Verethragna 99, it's probably nothing but -1 inventory now...

[Zhronne]

So even if your smites will do more damage

I agree completely with what you're trying to say. Just wanted to add that I'm not so sure that a Rev Victory Smite (especially if just Revenant Fists+2) would do more damage than a lv99 fire path weapon using Stringing Pummel.
Kinda leaning to think the second would be better than the first both on WS damage AND tp-phase damage.

The same probably does apply to Shijin Spiral, at least outside of Abyssea.