[dev1047] Thoughts/Feedback on "Legion"

[Vagrua]

Except people work in absolutes in this XI and unless you happen to have a reason (like procs or some battlefield mechanic) to field a PUP, THF, DRK or whatever, those classes are always being told to sit back for more SAM, MNK, WAR action.

Dunno about you but even when I'm on PUP at Voidwatch im doing damage, utilizing my automaton for nukes and hitting procs when they come up. Procs get my foot in the door and allow me to occupy a slot, something old content bars you from when everyone is 'best DD jobs onry' mode for everything.

All I did before my break was PUG Voidwatch and many of the runs have far greater job variety than what existed at 75 endgame. People weren't bitching when I'd field my BLU, PUP, RNG or any of my other 'less than ideal' classes and I have procs to thank for that. I don't care for the regimented Abyssea-style procs but the opposite extreme of zero procs invites lvl75 methods once again.



We're still in speculation but if the content only requires 18 people (and isnt overly strategic) to reasonably win then this event is going to be popular in shout circles because the game will only have one true 'large-scale' event worth running. I mean it could really go either way at this point but even within the grounds of an endgame LS you have job tiering and shunning of certain classes if they aren't the ideal or have a reason to bring them.

I'd use the PUP example but I feel that RNG is a much better example of a class that at 75 got shunned even though it could do mid-tier damage. Was RNG bad? Compared to the top-tier classes haste stacked perhaps but it wasn't terrible. It didn't matter however because once people got in their heads that haste-stacking and zergs were all that mattered the job cratered in popularity and usefulness. Are people really that hungry for zerg fantasy XI again? The only reason we can zerg VWNM is fanatics drinks anyway.

Voidwatch gave RNG the ability to participate and hit a boatload of potential unique procs but the second things go back to throwing only the best DD the class will be back in the 'aw, its not a SAM' tier.

I have to agree with this. It was always my Masamune SAM for events until my linkshell started letting me come PUP to void for procs and the damage. The higher tier voids destroyed my SAM leaving it weakened most the time compared to my automaton never gaining hate while nuking.

I can imagine any other event that didn't involve procs wouldn't include other jobs like this. It would be nice to have an event that favored all jobs.

[saevel]

I have to agree with this. It was always my Masamune SAM for events until my linkshell started letting me come PUP to void for procs and the damage. The higher tier voids destroyed my SAM leaving it weakened most the time compared to my automaton never gaining hate while nuking.

I can imagine any other event that didn't involve procs wouldn't include other jobs like this. It would be nice to have an event that favored all jobs.

I've said it before, but there currently are only four really *broke* jobs in FFXI right now. SMN, PUP, BST and RDM. For your LS the choice is between a powerful DD (Masa SAM) vs a broken pet job (PUP), unless there is an absolute requirement for the PUP its not much of a decision. And if you for one second try to pump up your PUP vs a fully geared Emp SAM ~outside~ of abyssea, then your delusional. Until SE significantly overhauls the pet systems, all pet jobs are going to be severely handicapped in this game.

Would your LS of cared if instead of PUP vs Masa SAM it was Emp DRG vs Emp SAM, or Emp SAM vs Emp WAR? Assuming procs were not in the equation then they wouldn't of given a rats a$$. Their answer would of been "come on your best geared DD job", which would leave the choice up to you. This game only discriminates vs really broken jobs because well, their broken and high levels of skill and gear can only do so much for a broken job. As a career RDM I've experienced this, no matter what gear I get or what merits / food / subs I choose, there is an absolute cap on what I can do with my enfeebling / nuking / healing / melee and those caps are lower then what nearly every other job in the game can do.

[wish12oz]

I've said it before, but there currently are only four really *broke* jobs in FFXI right now. SMN, PUP, BST and RDM. For your LS the choice is between a powerful DD (Masa SAM) vs a broken pet job (PUP), unless there is an absolute requirement for the PUP its not much of a decision. And if you for one second try to pump up your PUP vs a fully geared Emp SAM ~outside~ of abyssea, then your delusional. Until SE significantly overhauls the pet systems, all pet jobs are going to be severely handicapped in this game.

Would your LS of cared if instead of PUP vs Masa SAM it was Emp DRG vs Emp SAM, or Emp SAM vs Emp WAR? Assuming procs were not in the equation then they wouldn't of given a rats a$$. Their answer would of been "come on your best geared DD job", which would leave the choice up to you. This game only discriminates vs really broken jobs because well, their broken and high levels of skill and gear can only do so much for a broken job. As a career RDM I've experienced this, no matter what gear I get or what merits / food / subs I choose, there is an absolute cap on what I can do with my enfeebling / nuking / healing / melee and those caps are lower then what nearly every other job in the game can do.

I just saw about 8 posts from you, and you included they're and you're as their and your in every one of them. It makes me not care at all what you have to say, and think you have no idea what you're talking about.