[dev1047] Thoughts/Feedback on "Legion"

[Yygdrasil]

The word you are looking for is libel, and it is only libel if it isn't true.

Touche'

Nearly everything thus far stated is opinion. There have been a few... X can do Y and A can not do B... facts pointed out but much of the discussion until now has been of the "SMN sucks" or "SMN rocks" persuasion. It's the libel such as "SMN is useless" and "Terrible at every EG event" I'm defending against, not the facts. I wouldn't bother defending against a point like "WAR can DD better than a SMN" or "BLM can nuke better than a SMN". Those are facts.

[Greatguardian]

I'll probably be there on an alt account. I didn't buy ASA on my main and have no real plans to.

^ Update on this. Went to the event, had about 55~ people. The 18-man group got demolished. The 33-ish-man group got demolished in round 1 and then killed Wave 1 in round 2 before getting demolished by the second wave.

I love it.

[Arcon]

[QUOTE=Greatguardian;277973I love it.[/QUOTE]

I love your new sig. I completely missed this, I went to bed early because I was bored and nothing else to do. I totally forgot about this...

[Greatguardian]

I love your new sig. I completely missed this, I went to bed early because I was bored and nothing else to do. I totally forgot about this...

Ah man, it was great. I mean, we got destroyed, but the atmosphere was light and the Com Reps were a lot of fun. I really think we should do events like that more often.

One thing to note is that the NMs had a really wonky aggro system. The groups couldn't ever really agree on whether or not it was truly Alliance hate, but it acted a hell of a lot like it. It made things a total nightmare whenever we wiped, as it became impossible to ever really recover from it.

[Runespider]

^ Update on this. Went to the event, had about 55~ people. The 18-man group got demolished. The 33-ish-man group got demolished in round 1 and then killed Wave 1 in round 2 before getting demolished by the second wave.

I can see so much rage and dissapointment from this when they add it, I think people have the idea since Abyssea that endgame will be inclusive for all when stuff like this most surely isn't lol This sounds in no way PuG friendly at all, this is going to be LS only content..and for the big serious shells at that.

Well people kept saying they wanted more difficult content, be careful what you ask for I guess. I bet half the people that kept saying lolabyssea etc will never be able to clear these, at least if the quality of some of the players that say it on my server are anything to go by.

[Economizer]

Please post in this thread using the below template to provide feedback on Legion based on your experience during the test server feedback event.

I had other obligations to attend to (plus I've never bothered setting up the test server stuff) so I couldn't go. I didn't want to clutter up the thread for direct feedback from players who actually went, but I notice a few things from players who played.

Please limit the NM's ability to charm players in Legion.

Can we get any information regarding the status of Charmna? Is it still planned, is it not still planned, anything?

some sort of Alliance hate

Alliance hate (or basically comments regarding "wonky aggro mechanics") was one of the most common comments I've seen. I believe I remember seeing some community rep comment about reducing aggro ranges... a good way to help assist having players control what mobs they engage would be to not have alliance hate from random mobs.

once you wipe it's very hard to get back up

Wipes happen, and when they do you lose a lot of time. I think this is punishment enough for mistakes or mobs deciding to spam moves. It would be nice if it was easier to recover from a wipe then what people have reported... I know how very stressful on White Mages it can be to have to Raise a ton of people while weakened while mobs are trying to eat them.

time

A few people have asked for this to have the time increased somewhat. I don't think this is because people want the content to be drastically easier or whatever but that people want mistakes like a group wipe to be more recoverable in addition to being able to take their time. I'm not entirely sure about this as it wasn't covered as much as the others but if the time is tight I think it should be kept in mind as a possible issue.

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I'm sure there are other quirky things I might have missed but from what I've heard overall Legion is pretty good overall.

[SpankWustler]

It sounds like the main thing interfering with strategies right now isn't the outright difficulty of the monsters, but how much those monsters want to aggro when it really feels like they shouldn't. In the other thread, someone even mentions splitting into three groups of 12 and fighting all three monsters at once to deal with this oddity.

It sounds like Legion would be a much easier event to handle if the aggro ranges were shorter or less wonky. Particularly since "this thing comes running with a hungry look in it's eyes and murder in it's heart from four miles off" is an ability we have no specific counter-measure (such as Earthen Armor for extremely damaging abilities) for at present.

[Dazusu]

Fellow players, am I alone on this? I feel like I speak for the majority, but I'd like some confirmation.

I am on the other side of the fence. The reason you might feel like you speak for the majority is that the other majority of players who would have welcomed this content have quit over the past 12 months due to a distinct lack of it.

I personally just reactivated my account after spending a year on WoW where there is content designed for 25 players. Some players do enjoy that type of content, and I'm sure many more will reactivate with the news of Legion (Quite a few in my Linkshell have also returned to try it out).

There is a market for that content - but most of that market quit because SE was 100% focused on low man content. I have always been of the opinion that both types of player should be catered for. If you don't like large scale content, stick to the revamped Salvage, Nyzul Isle, Limbus etc.

The beauty of World of Warcraft is that the same content is designed and scaled for smaller groups (10) and larger groups (25), and for those who don't particularly enjoy big group events - there are plenty of smaller options. The big difference between the two player bases is that the number of WoW players that demand the same gear as those who participate in the more difficult content is a lot less. Both types of player are looked after.

With FFXI, it seems to be that one group thinks they are more deserving or entitled than the other (and this can go both ways)

[Runespider]

There is a market for that content - but most of that market quit because SE was 100% focused on low man content. I have always been of the opinion that both types of player should be catered for. If you don't like large scale content, stick to the revamped Salvage, Nyzul Isle, Limbus etc.

I did all the old big number content and I can safely say that the ones that did it all were in the minority, I would see the same people doing HNM, same people gathered for Ein etc lowman content is for pretty much every player of the game. This kind of big player content is aimed at a very small portion of the playerbase, you can bet if they don't cater to the players that liked abyssea to some amount they will lose far more than left during it.

Serious endgamers although important to aim content at are far less profitable to keep hold of than a more casual playerbase. This game would cease to exist without it's casual foundation players, it wouldn't even cover the server costs.

With FFXI, it seems to be that one group thinks they are more deserving or entitled than the other (and this can go both ways)

For better or worse Abyssea made everyone equal, expectations similarly became the same. the vast majority of players walking around with an emp and +2 gear would of never, ever got this kind of gear in old FFXI..at best they would of obtained Nyzul/sky type gear. I'm not sure if the vast majority of this playerbase now would take kindly to old FFXI at this point, where a small % of players would ever get the best gear again now.

You can see this by the new relic trials they are adding, people are raging because they know they won't get these done when in old FFXI it would of just been accepted that most players would never get the good stuff gear, ever.

[Mahoro]

They have specifically said they are trying to make content to cater to both types of players. That is why on Tuesday the lowmanners are getting something new, and the rewards are not insubstantial...

As for Legion, give it time. From the reports, it is more PUG friendly than one might think, and they take feedback well.