[dev1047] Thoughts/Feedback on "Legion"

[Alhanelem]

Video Game addiction ~is~ a recognized medical condition now

Behavioral, and Chemical Addiction are recognized medical conditions. Not Video Game, or <insert anything else here>. What you get addicted to doesn't matter much, the core of the treatment process is the same. You can become addicted to anything from video games to tiddly winks given the right conditions. MMOs in general promote certain behavioral patterns, the issue you are questioning is not specific to Voidwatch. It's part of any and every MMO as a whole.

All of this crap is really irrelevant to the topic at hand, though. Whether or not Voidwatch is designed to addict us to the game (as if people who have played the game long enough to be doing voidwatch aren't already addicted anyway) has nothing to do with why we don't like it. We don't like it because the reward level is so low that it actually prevents most of us from getting the proverbial carrot on the end of the stick. The tasty addicting nuggets are dispensed at too low a rate for people to get hooked in. I've only done a few VW fights, and while the fights themselves were kind of interesting, I have no real drive to stick with it because I don't see it as rewarding.

P.S. if you're going to lecture people on medical science, make sure you at least use spell check and then also verify that spellcheck corrected to the right word (manor, as in a house, vs manner, as in a method)

[Alhanelem]

How is it "leech friendly" anyway? If not everyone in your party is performing to the best of their ability, everyone will get less points. "Leeching" will be far less rewarding than actually participating.

These are NMish monsters you'll be fighting. This isn't "Grind like abyssea and get rewarded for it."

[Tile]

it doesn't mean Leech friendly, what it means is that you might as well bring in as many people as you can if you after points cause you can kill and earn that much fast

[Babekeke]

They've made it 'Leech Friendly' because there's no way in hell that a RDM or a BRD is going to score as highly as a Ukon WAR. If they made the reward a contribution-based one, after a couple of runs where the WARs come out with 20k points and the BRD comes out with 1k and the healers come out with 5k, everyone would just bitch over who had to come mage and take longer to get their reward.
Maybe should have put a cap in where a player had to make a minimum of 20 WS, cures, buffs, enfeebles or whatever to reach cap, but I have no idea how difficult that would be to implement.

[Tile]

They've made it 'Leech Friendly' because there's no way in hell that a RDM or a BRD is going to score as highly as a Ukon WAR. If they made the reward a contribution-based one, after a couple of runs where the WARs come out with 20k points and the BRD comes out with 1k and the healers come out with 5k, everyone would just bitch over who had to come mage and take longer to get their reward.
Maybe should have put a cap in where a player had to make a minimum of 20 WS, cures, buffs, enfeebles or whatever to reach cap, but I have no idea how difficult that would be to implement.

guess im not as familiar with leeching as some people are. But im not planning on letting people in my run that are just going to afk. they try it and they getting a D2. as for someone paying and going in tio or somthing with there dual boxed whm. I say go ahead and let them, if they want to waste the gil and get hardly any returns no skin of my back.

[Babekeke]

guess im not as familiar with leeching as some people are. But im not planning on letting people in my run that are just going to afk. they try it and they getting a D2. as for someone paying and going in tio or somthing with there dual boxed whm. I say go ahead and let them, if they want to waste the gil and get hardly any returns no skin of my back.

There are people who have a whole alliance of accounts. They could happily enter and dual box a melee and a mage while their other 14 accounts sit out of the way accruing points for every run. If the items obtainable with points are saleable, they're £££$$$ in, or can just buy all items at once and trade them all to main char, since all 18 chars will accrue points at exactly the same rate.

[Greatguardian]

There are people who have a whole alliance of accounts. They could happily enter and dual box a melee and a mage while their other 14 accounts sit out of the way accruing points for every run. If the items obtainable with points are saleable, they're £££$$$ in, or can just buy all items at once and trade them all to main char, since all 18 chars will accrue points at exactly the same rate.

Who gives a shit. If they're paying for 18 accounts, and setting up rigs capable of running them all at once, let them do whatever they want. It's their own problem if they're insistent on spending that much money on a game.

And good luck duo'ing these NMs with one mage and one melee.

[Babekeke]

And good luck duo'ing these NMs with one mage and one melee.

People already managed it on the test server, killing 1-2 mobs before time out.

[FrankReynolds]

There are people who have a whole alliance of accounts. They could happily enter and dual box a melee and a mage while their other 14 accounts sit out of the way accruing points for every run. If the items obtainable with points are saleable, they're £££$$$ in, or can just buy all items at once and trade them all to main char, since all 18 chars will accrue points at exactly the same rate.

They would all accrue points, but they wouldn't accrue many. How many NMs can you really kill in 30 minutes, with only 2 people fighting?

EDIT: Just to clarify. If 2 people can kill 1-2, then 18 people can kill what? 15-20? So instead of getting points for 20 kills on one character, the guy gets points for @30 kills spread across 18 characters... I see very little benefit to doing it that way. That's really not much of an exploit.

[Luvbunny]

Instead of having one person spend the 360k gil on one KI to be shared by many - it would be better to make us pay individually for 20-30k each time. This looks like it's going to be a closed event - instead of the open nature of VW and Walk of Echoes. Here is hoping that the gears will be a side grade alternative to the other gears from VW, WoE and Abyssea so that this will become optional. Seems like once you reach level 99, all you do is collecting gears in this game