[dev1047] Thoughts/Feedback on "Legion"

[Alhanelem]

I'm hoping, from what I"m reading, that more hardcore groups will be able to do well with just the minimum 3-6 people, but ordinary people will be able to do it with more. I also don't like the idea of another new event with a huge gil sink price to replace the no-longer-gilsink Dynamis.

It seems like they want to bring back large linkshells but I really don't see that happening. The playerbase is smaller, the long time players do not have as much time on their hands as they used to, and... yeah.

[Vold]

It's not so much a population issue as it is the types of people that are playing, or maybe it's just what FFXI itself has done to us over the years. People are welcoming content that embraces smaller groups. They got tired of the 18+ man LSs and farming for years for little rewards in comparison to the amount of work they put into it. There's a good reason large groups of players can still exist in other MMOs despite small populations of players. It's a reason FFXI doesn't have and that's rewards that are always delivered. Not necessarily silver platter stuff like Abyssea, but something that is vastly superior to SE's ideals of low drop rates and time sinks. Sometimes they do like those other games but it's too few and far between. AV for example is one of those exceptions but because the fricking thing was such murder no one ever killed it for years to reap the rewards of it's drop rates.

If they drop the ideals they have and be more forgiving, people would be more willing to group up and take care of business because it's more fun. If they insist on their way for ever and ever then we will always do whatever we can to ensure we take monsters out with as few as possible for as little competition for drops as possible when they do drop. I want to see 18 man content. FFXI can easily support it. But I think we as a playerbase are done with the 2003-09 way of things. We're done with people running off with KCs and LS banks and ninja lots and all that crap. Time is better spent watching paint dry than spend another second in SE's dream world where everyone plays for 30 years trying to get virtual crap with sub par drop rates all the while paying them to let us do it. It does nothing but promote people screwing each other over. It's not a total failure of a system because the game has survived for nine years but I can't help but wonder how many hundreds of thousands more might still be playing today had they been properly rewarded instead of being shrugged off as weak and unworthy of FFXI.

[Sparthos]

If this event has procs, a decent loot spread, doesn't lock you out for days on end and doesn't rely on endless temp item spam then it stands a good chance to be very popular.

18man groups can be built via shout easily but 36man? Yeah, no.

[Alhanelem]

If this event has procs

If it doesn't have procs, you mean. Nobody wants procs. This event is all about bashing as much shiat in as you can. Who would waste time proccing? You get more points and more loot the more stuff you kill. A proc system would slow that down.

Seriously. No procs please. We have enough "proc events."

BTW, legion on test server is b0rked and the hands of darkness prevent you from entering.

As far as how it's going to play out, judging by the minimum required, killing stuff won't be insurmountable with a small group, but since more kills = better stuff, you'll want as many people as possible to get the best rewards.

BTW, one of the weird things about this event is it's a "model area" like the ballista and brenner zones are, and it was created by the same mage Abjdalis that created those other places. Kind of strange...

[saevel]

You guys aren't thinking clearly about the size vs rewards scaling.

You better hope and pray it doesn't dilute your rewards if your a bigger group, otherwise then it'll become the same as XP / Merits during the 75 era. People will only choose specific jobs to maximize damage potential and thus kill speed for whatever optimal group size is determined and you'll have the same people crying all over again. Look at abyssea, once people figured out the optimal group sizes they then became ultra paranoid about bringing anyone else because every additional person is someone you must share your loot with.

Honestly, as much as your stamping and screaming, this is just a re-invention of LS end-game content. They have lowman content in abyssea, they have PUG content via voidwatch, this is just their recreation of big LS content.

[Alhanelem]

You better hope and pray it doesn't dilute your rewards if your a bigger group

The way it's described, it sounds like it's specifically made so that more people = better, likely intending to break the trend that every piece of content is done with the fewest people that can possible win it.

[Zaknafein]

Very happy to see LS sized content back. As far as there being no shells left who can field enough members to do 18-36 man content speak for yourself. I know of at least 4 off the top of my head on my server (Bahamut) and that is just the NA shells. I'm sure there are a few JP shells capable of this sort of content also. Btw it usually helps if you don't generalize what the "playerbase" currently is. Best to stick to speaking of your own server that you have direct knowledge of.

There has been nothing but low man friendly events introduced since the level cap went up from 75. SE is even apparently including a low man aspect into Legion to some extent. Honestly anyone whining about this being tailored for large groups just sounds ridiculous.

[brayen]

Wish they could give more details. Biggest concern is the size of the event. i am betting 3 could kill something/ get something done...but with the possibility of taking up to two alliances, i am betting it will be a HUGE gil sink for the time invested to actually go with a group of friends <3-6> forcing you to go with a huge pick up of rejects/uninformed players just to hope to grab something of value<even if it is just the tokens/points> All in all i hope they reconsider this point as anything over 6 people has always been a mess and/or a large consumption of time just to get the players gathered<see VW shouts taking an hr to fill up if not more>

[darkhorror]

This looks like a great event from the info. it's a short event, can bring lots of players, and fight a bunch of HNM's. I can't wait to try this out when it starts up. It's been a long time since we have had an event that requires more than 18, finally our LS will have an event where people won't have to sit out.

[Zyla420]

one thing i think is going to be an issue is the entry fee. i think it should operate more like limbus, where everyone pays a small fee for entrance. otherwise i can see the whole "I paid the entrance fee, all the drops go to me, you just get points" argument comin up. it'll be dynamis all over again.