[dev 1065]99 R/M/E. Double checking to be completely sure.

[Anewie]

Protip: Those 2 extremes make up the core of every mmo ever.

All you have done in this thread is whine and complain. The difference is that most people disagree with you. You can call the people who wanted easier relic trials complainers all you want but we are also the majority. Most people who understand the implications of the trial aren't upset about it. You just don't get it and that is causing you to whine and complain about a decision by the dev team to cater to more players as opposed to very few.

Putting a hugely beneficial stat on the glow weapons would cause people like myself to quit.

Also, since you seem uninformed. here is the definition of whining.


Give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.
Complain in a feeble or petulant way.

Now was my post b*tchy as karb pointed out? Yes. Whining? Lolz, no. I was making a point while being snarky about it. What you did was whining. AKA threatening to quit over idkwhatever.

Also you're wrong about what you say makes up the majority of the player base. How many do you really think would have quit over this? You're delusional if you think it would be significant. SE simply listened, but don't make the naive assumption mass quitting would have happened over such a small and redundant factor in xi. Why were arguing idk. I'm not doing the glow trial anymore than you.

"People like myself" you said btw.

Protip: You're in a minority sweety.

I really hope SE does a direction that causes people like you to quit honestly. It's disgusting to me how entitled people think they are. But my views are apparently "twisted". lol, yeah okay.

[Insaniac]

What's disgusting is your reading comprehension. Ultimate weapon holders are a minority of the population but the majority of them wanted a reasonable trial to get to 99. And I never once said that there would be a mass exodus but "people like me" would have quit. Let me try to break it down for you. Here's the 3 possible situations:

Only an impossible trial:
(a)Players without weapons: Unaffected
(b)Players with weapons that want a reasonable trial (majority): Unhappy, Angry, possible rage quit.
(c)Players with weapons that need exclusivity to be happy (minority): Pleased I guess?

Only a reasonable trial:
(a)Unaffected
(b)Happy
(c)Bored, probably quit after a few months

Current plan for stage 1 and 2 trials:
(a)Unaffected
(b)Happy, They have their 99 relic at 99.9% of full power which is good enough for most.
(c)Happy, They have something to work for that will truly set them apart from the crowd.

Now which one looks like the right decision for a company to make? You're going off on tangents about entitlement and whining but the focus of your first post was how this was a stupid decision. My argument is that you lack the critical thinking skills to understand why they would have done this and why this option is the most beneficial to both the players and the company assuming they HAD to make some insane trial.

[Anewie]

What's disgusting is your reading comprehension. Also, stuff

Speaking of reading comprehension Insaniakk, here is my original post. You're welcome.

I'm officially jumping the shark, to team Pigmoa. WTF?

Now I get it, You want some things to be impossible to obtain. I understand and respect that. Seeing as how it doesn't really effect me, as I couldn't care less about shit I can't do and I understand you guys want some players to be special or elite but wtf?

So basically you want people to do 100 PWs and 300 DLS to have a glow effect? And a sphere effect that is virtually useless to the person who persued such a ridiculous and crude trial?

I'm not pissed at all, i find it rather humerous. Where is the logic in this? WHY WOULD ANYONE DO IT? To glow? LMAO I'm sorry but you guys have lost your minds.

I can see people doing insane trials for amazing stats and increased damage or some special trait that boosts their playability, but if you honestly think any group will waste time doing a trial that long and hard, to simply glow (which can be turned off via effects if a person doesnt wanna see it) you guys really are as crazy and looney as the forum says...

Yes, i can understand 100pws trial if you want a player to gain some amazing stat or something, the people who want to be the absolute absolute absolute best would try for it (altho they have too much free time and are crazy, but i understand the want to be special in game) but to make a trial like THAT for something that is USELESS other than to glow.

I am officially team "WTF SE".

I totally support this trial being reduced/erased/gtfo IF THATS all it offers. I am aware SE only offers small rewards for long trials anyway, but this trial has to be the MOST SHALLOW and ridiculous trial from a payoff-reward ration in all FFXI.

I'm not suggesting they make it the only stage, im suggesting they rework the whole thing to just be as easy as people want it. That's a way better strat than doing this. This is truly alienating. It's like you guys are running so desperate for idea to keep people playing? No one is going to do this trial. People do relics for themselves. No one is going to do 300 adls so they can glow. People would do 300 adls for increased stats and proc dmg. People do relics to be stronger and better at their jobs... not to glow. At least not to the extent of 100 fkin pws.

I would rather there only be the easy trial. At least It gives me some comfort the dev team hasnt completley lost it. I used to think maybe people were whining a bit too much, but with this trial.. honestly.. are u that desperate to keep us playing that u would dare ask us to do 100 PANDEMONIUM WARDENs just to ...glow?

Just GTFO

More reading comprehension for you bro. You're welcome.

You're going off on tangents about entitlement and whining but the focus of your first post was how this was a stupid decision. My argument is that you lack the critical thinking skills to understand why they would have done this and why this option is the most beneficial to both the players and the company assuming they HAD to make some insane trial.

Im sensing anger from your posts or frustration. I'm not taking this as seriously as you obviously, but again, you are the one having trouble with reading comprehension and putting words in my mouth. I never said making an easier trial was a dumb thing to do.

I'm saying the trial for afterglow relic was already ridiculous, but it's even more ridiculous now. Your opinion on it is biased because you are one of the "people who would quit over it" etc etc. So It's no surprise you are thinking about it from a very naive point of view.

"This trial will keep hardcore of the hardcore playing and satisfy them for their e-peen items!" is basically what you're saying correct?. Fact check, this is just you being naive. You are beyond delusional if you think any hardcore or "no lifer" player will be happy with this.

I'm not suggesting they take the stage 1 off either, so don't get so hot under the collar. I'm arguing with you only on the basis that it makes even LESS sense than before. You don't see it that way, but your opinion is so biased, I can't take it seriously. In the land of marginal upgrades, a trial this exhausting for somethin that offers no benefit to the holder over someone who didn't work nearly as hard, makes less sense to me than having to do something ridiculous for an increase.

I'm not saying you or any relic holder should feel bad or anything either. I'm simply stating you're not giving hardcore or no lifers enough credit. I'm going to bet, unless the afterglow is amazing in what it does to the party, almost no one will attempt this.

Going to use mythic weapons as an example. Back at 75, alexandrite wasnt so hard to come by. Why did so few do mythics? Mythic quest is arguably LESS exhausting than lv99 afterglow. So why did no real melee attempt mythics? Here is the answer: They sucked. If your assumption is correct, people would have done mythics to look unique and e-peen right? Sorry hun, but that's delusional thinking. Sure, people go after e-peen, im not arguing with you on that, but the line for it is very paper thin as opposed to sanity and wanting to actually gear your job well.

If you honestly believe there is even a handful of people who are so desperate to look good, that would do this to feel good about how they glow, you really are as disconnected with the xi base as a whole than the devs.

I can respect your opinion, you just respect mine and we can debate peacefully.

[Krashport]

I'm saying the trial for afterglow relic was already ridiculous, but it's even more ridiculous now. Your opinion on it is biased because you are one of the "people who would quit over it" etc etc. So It's no surprise you are thinking about it from a very naive point of view.

Why you feel this way, once you get/do a Lv.99 Relic / Emp your done! cause the Lv.99 Vs the Lv.99+1 is all the same, After all this is just a game SE nor anyone else is saying you have to do it. I personally think the afterglow is pretty cool. Will I do it? Maybe but it will come in time.

[Insaniac]

I love how you think you have some huge effect on my mood lol. You like to exaggerate peoples statements and emotions so you feel like you matter. Like I have said before I'm just sitting here with either a blank look or a smile on my face.

There's a reason they don't want to remove the insane trials and there's a reason they added a new reasonable trial. If you can't see that reason and why it makes more sense than anything you suggested then I feel sorry for you. You are also delusional if you think no one will try to complete these trials just for the sake of feeling like they accomplished something that most people couldn't or wouldn't. Very few people will try to do them but that's the point. It keeps those people that are insane enough to do it playing and paying.

[Krashport]

@Insaniac I bet ya 50k in Gil, Anewie is typing pretty hard on the keyboard right about now...

[Anewie]

I love how you think you have some huge effect on my mood lol. You like to exaggerate peoples statements and emotions so you feel like you matter. Like I have said before I'm just sitting here with either a blank look or a smile on my face.

There's a reason they don't want to remove the insane trials and there's a reason they added a new reasonable trial. If you can't see that reason and why it makes more sense than anything you suggested then I feel sorry for you. You are also delusional if you think no one will try to complete these trials just for the sake of feeling like they accomplished something that most people couldn't or wouldn't. Very few people will try to do them but that's the point. It keeps those people that are insane enough to do it playing and paying.

Alright, well heres a question then. You just acknowledged very few will even try, implying it's a very marginal amount of people. So, why would it matter if they continue play and pay if it is such an insignificant number of individuals? I understand what you're saying, i'm simply stating it not only doesn't make any sense, i'm also having a very hard time believing it.

I'm also not saying i'm anymore right than you. My argument is that the logic behind my argument seems much more believeable than yours.

Ask me why the same question, just vise versa. Why would it make more sense to make the insane trial for the best increase in useage and uility? Because anyone who wants to have the strongest most powerful weapon in game, will do it. Why does this make more sense than the reverse argument? Because the amount of people who will continue to play and attempt it, would more than likely make up a much larger margin. A much more significant amount than what you suggest.

Again, not saying the trial would be any less ridiculous. I'm arguing there would be more sense to it because more would attempt, thus having a greater impact on "keeping elites playing" which is what you suggest is the reason behind it.

tldr, making a trial only 3-5 people on any server will ever care about doesnt make as much sense as making a trial that anyone with a relic under the sun would be tempted to complete. Doesn't mean the trial is any less crazy, but there is more reasoning as to why it exists and why people are doing it.

You're welcome

[Insaniac]

I'm suggesting the combination of the 2 trials keeps more people playing than either one would have individually. Very few people will attempt it but the people who aren't happy just getting more relics or emps or aren't even happy with the current exclusivity of mythic weapons will and they probably would have quit otherwise. Believe it or not those people are out there. I really don't see anyone quitting over these 2 trials but either one individually would have sooner or later caused people to quit.

[Alerith]

Insaniac makes a very valid point.

People who get a 99 R/M/E are going to be satisfied because the afterglow effect doesn't justify the trial and they still won't lose out on any damage, delay, etc. by NOT doing the afterglow trial.

Meanwhile, the hardcore elitists still have something to go for that makes them feel "superior".

Both sides win and it's less likely that either side is going to over-rage, complain or quit.

[Anewie]

I'm suggesting the combination of the 2 trials keeps more people playing than either one would have individually. Very few people will attempt it but the people who aren't happy just getting more relics or emps or aren't even happy with the current exclusivity of mythic weapons will and they probably would have quit otherwise. Believe it or not those people are out there. I really don't see anyone quitting over these 2 trials but either one individually would have sooner or later caused people to quit.

I like this reply. Respectable and a good debate. Although I don't agree, because it's subjective man. Lets take that smn who says he might do the trial. What was his reasoning? He said because once he's done, thats it, and he needs something to do. You mentioned before that the two extremes between people who will quit over something small or the people who would stay and continue to play for something small, make up the core of xi. This is a very wrong assumption.

There are people who want to be exclusive and elite, yet are not crazy/dumb enough to do 100pws so they can glow, and there are plenty of people who are content with not having the best of the best endgame weapon/body piece because they dont have the time. This margin of people probably makes up more of xi, than what you suggest.

I honestly respect your point of view and I get it. I simply think it makes more sense to make the best gear exclusive and good. I think that would keep hardcores playing longer and would be better business, because I don't see mass quitting from people over 5-10 pieces of gear only a handful of people per server will ever get, even if its the best.

If a person would quit over a single weapon or bosdy piece, they likely wont play very dedicatedly anyway. But that is subjective as well.