Solution to inventory that no one will like

[Godofgods]

We all have inventory issues, we all know that. But instead of focusing on more inventory space, lets try focusing on what is taking up so much space.

With the introduction of abyssea, the desire to lvl more jobs is more obvious then ever. Which mean that equipment is quickly on the rise. One thing that never relay made sense to me, even back when i first started, was have special WS sets to macro over to before WS'ing, then macroing back to fighting/tp set (or whatever else you happen to be using at the time) It just never made sense to change your armor mid fight, multiple times.

I had heard that in ff14 they tried to implement a system where you would not receive the effects of new equip for 30 or so seconds after you put them on, in order to avoid this gear swapping everyones become so accustomed to.

So why not implement that here of your able to? Help due away with the multi sets during combat. If nothing else, not needing so many equip sets will certainly free up some inventory room!

[Brolic]

i agree with you



no one will like this

[Economizer]

I had heard that in ff14 they tried to implement a system where you would not receive the effects of new equip for 30 or so seconds after you put them on, in order to avoid this gear swapping everyones become so accustomed to.

SE could easily implement this by using the same methods they have for PvP in FFXI, or just resetting TP like they do with weapons. Nobody would like it because half the gear in the game would become useless because gear has been designed for macro usage. Players who think that people using macros are all cheaters using third party tools or greedy in some way are sadly misinformed and need a reality check.

If we're really going to "fix" this, SE has to start by consolidating gear and making it at least a sidegrade to the combined best stats of the best gear available, since gear is currently balanced around macroing. Well that or they could give us more space...

For example, instead of giving White Mages the Iuvenalis Mittens (DEF:20 MP-15 STR+7 VIT+7 MND+7 Haste+5%) which are a downgrade from both the Healer's Gloves +1 (DEF:14 MP+15 STR+7 MND+7 Healing magic skill +15 Enmity-4) and the Blessed Mitts +1 (DEF:19 MP+18 MND+8 Haste+6% Enmity-4), the would have given us gloves that give better stats that would have made it at least a sidegrade (bare minimum DEF:19 MP+18 MND+8 STR+7 Healing Magic Skill +15 Haste+6% Emnity-4) or an upgrade (such as DEF:24 MP+25 MND+8 STR+8 VIT+8 Healing Magic Skill +22 Enmity-8 Haste+7%) while saving inventory space either way.

[FrankReynolds]

SE could easily implement this by using the same methods they have for PvP in FFXI, or just resetting TP like they do with weapons. Nobody would like it because half the gear in the game would become useless because gear has been designed for macro usage. Players who think that people using macros are all cheaters using third party tools or greedy in some way are sadly misinformed and need a reality check.

Yeah, pretty much. If they implemented a block on gear swaps, 90% of the current content would be broken due to mages being gimped, melee sucking ass, drops becoming worthless, etc.

Easiest thing they could do is add like 5 more gobbie bags. These porter moogles suck because they are not in your mog house (why does this even need to be a separate moogle?) and they organize gear in such a way that it requires you to look 10 different places (and have 10 slips) just to gear one friggin job. At least with sacks, you can hit 'auto-sort'. They really should come up with some method of combining gear so that you just get all the stats on one piece. Can't fit all the stats on one piece? Pick the weakest ones, remove them, and put them on the job naturally.

My favorite idea: 16 bags, all of which you can access through macros. Each one will only hold one specific item type ie. hands, feet, legs etc. You would call them like this: /headsack /equip head "versa helm". You would always have all your gear on you. Mog sack, Satchel etc, would only be used for consumables etc. Got over 80 head pieces? That is what the porter moogle is for (if you have 80+, surely you have a few that rarely see any use).

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Easiest thing they could do is add like 5 more gobbie bags. These porter moogles suck because they are not in your mog house (why does this even need to be a separate moogle?) and they organize gear in such a way that it requires you to look 10 different places (and have 10 slips) just to gear one friggin job. At least with sacks, you can hit 'auto-sort'. They really should come up with some method of combining gear so that you just get all the stats on one piece. Can't fit all the stats on one piece? Pick the weakest ones, remove them, and put them on the job naturally.

They should do like the Test Server and add the moogle to the MH.

[Ihnako]

@FrankReynolds
You can't access more than 80 items at once cause the game has to load the other 80 items from your other sack/satchel/storage/etc. seperatly and temporarily. So macroing different items from different storageareas would at least cost a huge ammount of time and server resources, traffic etc. cause of reload the whole inventory of that specific storagearea. And I speculate - as long as the game is designed and supported for the PS2 - you won't see a significant change.

But I still hope SE would change the slips to become keyitems.

[FrankReynolds]

@FrankReynolds
You can't access more than 80 items at once cause the game has to load the other 80 items from your other sack/satchel/storage/etc. seperatly and temporarily. So macroing different items from different storageareas would at least cost a huge ammount of time and server resources, traffic etc. cause of reload the whole inventory of that specific storagearea. And I speculate - as long as the game is designed and supported for the PS2 - you won't see a significant change.

But I still hope SE would change the slips to become keyitems.

Yeah, unfortunately they can't change slips to KIs because of how they are programmed. Best thing they could do with those slips, is make the moogle in our moghouses handle them instead of the porters. I just figured that since we were asking for storage options, I would shoot for the stars.

[Corwin]

@FrankReynolds
You can't access more than 80 items at once cause the game has to load the other 80 items from your other sack/satchel/storage/etc. seperatly and temporarily. So macroing different items from different storageareas would at least cost a huge ammount of time and server resources, traffic etc. cause of reload the whole inventory of that specific storagearea. And I speculate - as long as the game is designed and supported for the PS2 - you won't see a significant change.

But I still hope SE would change the slips to become keyitems.

You have proof of this?

[Arcon]

You have proof of this?

He doesn't, because it's wrong. A system like that could be implemented and it would work just as fast and efficient as now, however, it wouldn't be easy to implement and there'd be some things they'd need to consider (the benefits and pitfalls of it was discussed in this thread).

[Ihnako]

Why should I proofe you wrong when you allready prost that you don't have a clue.

#1 You only have 80 slots permanently loaded (your inventory)
#2 The additional 80 slots from your satchel/sack/mog safe/etc. are loaded temporarily

So in case you want to access anything other than your inventory you ask the server to transmit the items to your temp. inventory. So every additional temp. inventory will increase the serverload and now we scale - 1,000 player using 3 temp. inventories withing 1 second that would mean,
- implied that each item is only a dword (2 byte)
- each temp. inventory can contain 80 items (80 x 2 = 160)
- 3 temp inventories (160 x 3 = 480)
- 1,000 player (480 x 1,000 = 480,000)
So you would add 468 kb/s for only 1,000 player.

Now a more realistic scenario: 4,000 player, 4 temp. inventories = 2,560,000 byte/sec.

And now another problem - you have to unload/overwrite your temp.inventory cause you only can hold one additional temp. inventory (80 inventory + 80 temp. inventory).
So you have to load tem.inventory(a), unload/overwrite it with temp.inventory(b), aso. And that will take time (in relation to your overall system performance)

btw. in all cases I didn't included header, CRCs and what some people will describe as lag and packet loss aso. HAIL the INTERNET!