IDEA: Relief to Inventory Issues

[Ihnako]

@Arcon:
You want to play a different job but you don't have enough storage?
Mule! You can't - quit the game or stop QQing and begin to decide what you really want to do.

@Hawk
The masses doesn't have storage issues. It's just a handfull of people who can't accept that life isn't a pony farm.

No job needs 92 items to be good. With 50-60 your bad ass allready. So at least 20 spaces are left.

PS: Parry +5 is helpfull as it negates 100% of the incomming physical damage in case you parry and parry+5 increases the chance. And that's a fact! (Even there are items that are more practcal. But that wasn't part of the origin question.)

PPS: My solution is a solid solution. Your solution is the allmighty uber pony. So who's not able to deal with reality?

[Arcon]

@Arcon:
You want to play a different job but you don't have enough storage?
Mule! You can't - quit the game or stop QQing and begin to decide what you really want to do.

That's what everyone is doing already. Your "solution" is nothing new. People have thought of that for years. That doesn't change the fact that it's utterly retarded. This forum is, as I've told you in several other threads you were eager to shoot down for no reason, for feedback. We're giving feedback. You're being a dickhead. Everything you said can be summed up by "I don't want change, and if you want it, you're QQing and something something pony!", which I'm sure you believe makes some kind of sense. It doesn't.

@Hawk
The masses doesn't have storage issues. It's just a handfull of people who can't accept that life isn't a pony farm.

Everyone has storage issues, and you just admitted it. You said to use mules and Porter Moogles and even the fucking delivery box. If you use any of those you have storage issues, because those are ways to deal with it and you wouldn't be using any of them if you had enough storage. You're just confusing our attempt to make a different inventory saving suggestion with random bitching about how life is unfair. Both Hawk and I have been playing for years, and we've managed so far. What makes you think that suddenly we can't deal with it and are crying about it? It's a simple suggestion. It's a good suggestion. Objectively good, because it's easy to implement, would encourage people to play more and do more varied content and it would help absolutely everyone without making the game any easier. So what exactly is your problem with it?

No job needs 92 items to be good. With 50-60 your bad ass allready. So at least 20 spaces are left.

No, with 50-60 you're about average.

PS: Parry +5 is helpfull as it negates 100% of the incomming physical damage in case you parry and parry+5 increases the chance. And that's a fact! (Even there are items that are more practcal. But that wasn't part of the origin question.)

No it's not helpful. Never. In 0% of the cases.

PPS: My solution is a solid solution. Your solution is the allmighty uber pony. So who's not able to deal with reality?

Reality is everyone hates you, for good reason. Because you're an idiot who keeps insisting they're right, which makes you either a (bad) troll or an ignorant idiot, both of which are counterproductive. Your solution is no solution at all. All you said was "we shouldn't have this because of ponies". Stop pretending you're smart. Denying someone access to content is not, never, ever a solution. All you're doing (and not just in this thread, but every single thread I've seen you post in so far) is spout some garbage, then not being able to defend it but still insisting on it like a stubborn child and after a while you start making up shit to "back up" your arguments and that goes on until a mod comes in and deletes all your posts. Also, you have a disturbing pony obsession. Get help.

[Ihnako]

Since Arcon is about to start another flame I'll enlight him.
We make it easy so even a birdbrain could chew the information.

a) Life isn't a pony farm - Maybe in your country it's not a popular saying but so sum it up "Life isn't what you wish it to be. You have to deal with it and make the best out of it."

b) I don't need a change in the way you and the 3 other posters including the OP is asking for. You allready have enough storage.

c) If you nee more than 50-60 pieces for a job to be bad ass, you'r just a bad player with no common sense about where the overkill starts.

d) Sure Parry helps. And as I said it negates 100% of the incomming physical damage. So to make it easy a potential hit of 100,000 points of damage could be negated by parrying. PDT gear could reduce it but you'll die. You could evade it also but parry is applied after you failed to evade. So parry increases your chance to negate damage.
And to come back to the origin question - there was the statement that the AF1 isn't helpfull at all. And that's simply wrong. Every stat on your AF1 has a justification to be there. You don't want to use it, I sure can understand cause there are items in the game that are better but that wasn't the origin question.

e) The mod deleted only a few posts cause I got carried away.

f) You'r a hundred years to early to lecture me. Cause I know what I do and why I do it. I know how to do it right, and what it takes to "overkill" it. And storage isn't an issue for me cause I know where I have to put my priority.

[Arcon]

b) I don't need a change in the way you and the 3 other posters including the OP is asking for. You allready have enough storage.

How do you know that we have enough? If you don't need the change, that's perfectly fine. But coming in here and saying that we don't need the change is retarded. All you're doing is saying that our playstyle is stupid, because the inventory issues are a part of the game's natural balancing (when even SE said it was just a hardware limitation) and we should adapt to it. And disregarding the fact that we are adapting to it (otherwise, how would we be playing?), our suggestion is to introduce a means to ease that. SE wants us to have a higher inventory, hell, that's why they increased it ten times so far and keep adding new means of storing items. And we're helping them by suggestion a new move, something that would be productive in several ways. Yet you come in here with your high opinion that needing more storage is stupid. Thanks for sharing.

c) If you nee more than 50-60 pieces for a job to be bad ass, you'r just a bad player with no common sense about where the overkill starts.

So you're a bad player if you have a TP set, a WS set, a MDT and PDT set? Or a Refresh/MP set, nuking sets, enfeebling sets and curing sets? God forbid having different WS sets for different WS, because trying to maximize your efficiency apparently means you have no common sense?

Let's see what we have just for mages: Eight elemental staves, eight elemental belts. 16 staves if you have one for damage and one for accuracy for each element. That's 24 items alone, on just two slots (weapon and belt). Meaning for the other 14 slots you can only afford two pieces each, or you're overkilling? Oh, I forgot, your solution was to just pick two elements, because if you gear for more it means you want a pony.

d) Sure Parry helps. And as I said it negates 100% of the incomming physical damage. So to make it easy a potential hit of 100,000 points of damage could be negated by parrying. PDT gear could reduce it but you'll die. You could evade it also but parry is applied after you failed to evade. So parry increases your chance to negate damage.
And to come back to the origin question - there was the statement that the AF1 isn't helpfull at all. And that's simply wrong. Every stat on your AF1 has a justification to be there. You don't want to use it, I sure can understand cause there are items in the game that are better but that wasn't the origin question.

No, many stats on many AF pieces have no justification at all to be there. You're trying to argue semantics. What you're trying to argue is that a Leather Belt is useful at 99, because it adds 1 Defense point. "Sure, there's better, that doesn't make this useless!" Yeah, great logic. If we go by that, absolutely everything has a justification to be on anything, which makes the word "justification" completely lose its meaning.

And the parrying doesn't help. At all.

f) You'r a hundred years to early to lecture me. Cause I know what I do and why I do it. I know how to do it right, and what it takes to "overkill" it. And storage isn't an issue for me cause I know where I have to put my priority.

I'm sure you believe that. You're very convinced of yourself. Idiots usually are. It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect. Apparently you don't know about "counting", though, which does, in fact, make me more than qualified to lecture you. You call it "priority" but it's just a rationalization for why you're willingly and knowingly gimping yourself. Consider yourself lectured.

[Hawk]

I am really shocked that you continue to add NOTHING constructive to this thread Ihnako. I proposed 2 solutions, 1 easier then the other to implement mind you, and you've posted NOTHING. Seriously, I am confused why you even feel the need to waste your time.

My hope is that devs see this and implement this because it's something I truly feel will help the masses (as mages are the most popular jobs according to SE) and if both of my ideas are implemented then I'm willing to wager 98% of the people who play this game would benefit. I say 98% because I'm sure there are 2% that are so stuck in their ways that they don't want any change, and that's fine.

None of the changes I proposed are MANDATORY. If they are implemented, and you still wanted to carry around 8 obi's then by all means do so. But the OPTION would be there for those that would rather carry around 1 and save 7 inventory spots.

I just can't understand how someone can be so against something that would benefit so many people WITHOUT ANY negative effects on everyone else since nothing would be forced. It truly baffles my mind.

So I'm seriously asking you nicely, if you have nothing constructive to add (and your solution of don't play all jobs or gimp yourself are NOT valid), then please stop posting and let's keep this to people who want to encourage this change for the better or at the very least offer up other solutions. This post is to help people (provided the devs even read this), not to start a flame thread.

And you still have yet to truly answer my question yet again. As a mage, having a curing set, stoneskin set, enfeebling set, divine set, enhancing set, nuking set, sleeping set, drain/aspir set, fast cast set, resting set, and idle set (not to mention random things like Emphatikos rope for aquaveil for good measure) takes up a LOT of room. That's 11 sets not counting extra pieces, food, meds, etc. And that's also not counting staffs, obis, grips either. So trying to be the BEST you can be (not settling for average), try cramming all of that into 80 slots WITHOUT removing a single piece. 92 into 80.

Arcon has made all valid points in defending this thread and I thank you. I just hope the devs see this and take my ideas into serious consideration for the greater good of the game.

[paito]

Many people have problems managing their inventory. There are two reasons for this. 1)Limit of 80 spaces. 2)The game is built horizontally. Meaning you need one set to ws in, one to tp in, one to cast cure, one to nuke, etc etc.

Here are some things that are VERY easy to implement that will help many people out.

There is a very common number in FFXI. That number is 8. 8 elements, 8 days of the week, 8 items in the trade window, etc. Things that go along with this number are:

8 Elemental Obi's
8 WS Gorgets
8 WS Belts
8 Elemental Sachets
8 Elemental Grips
8 Elemental Staves
etc

Some of these items take a lot of effort and work to get (all 8 trial staves, either magic damage, magic acc, or avatar for example). Now as a mage, having all 8 obi's, all 8 staves, and all 8 grips, you are now down 24/80 inventory, over 25%. That's a lot of space.

I propose you create an npc that if you trade him all 8 obi's (8 spaces in the trade window so no problem there), he gives you a rainbow obi that works for all 8 elements (The Twilight cape is the same thing so they could easily make an obi to do it). All 8 Sachets = Rainbow Sachet, all stats +2, hp/mp, and occasionally absorbs magic damage. All 8 ws gorgets/belts = a gorget or belt that works for all ws's. all 8 element damage +6, element acc +1, element casting -14% = one staff for all 8 elements. etc etc.

This turns 24/80 inv into 3/80. MUCH easier to work with.

The coding for this should be relatively simple and will help the strain on many players, especially mages.

What Hawk is saying is true with the only 5 macro space's that we have on PS2 is not anought of all those gears to macro into them because of PS2 limitations.

I rather see it aswell that those Obi's and/Gorget is set into one Gorget and Obi's you will win allot of space in your invetory and Macro's.

It will be nice that Hawk said about those AF/Relic/emp armor you can Combine with but put them all into one is Too good to be true tbh. But the other hand is that ppl will get intrested in doing Limbus/Dynamis again but if you wanna combine something that will only be 2 too choose like AF an Relic, Relic and Emp or AF and emp and not all 3 for me example is Relic on a MNK hands the first choose because I'm a Tarutaru and the other one will be AF because I dont need haste anymore on my hands. The other is that you can see so many combinations and gear through the game. Look what happend a few years back. SE got Sick of it that everyone was wearing the same Turban for years!. Now it is all the same Emp armor. Now that But if they do that combine thing you will see difrent ppl wearing difrent things and that is what either I and others wanna see in Vana'diel so you can look at those ppl what they are thinking and what they reason is with that combination. It will be intresting!

[Ihnako]

Minda mind your own business.
Leveling a job is something you should do cause you'r interested in it and not for the 99.
And yes - I can play all jobs verry well and contribute more to the party than your garbage.

Storage is part of the game. Deal with it!
Creating better and better items for what reason? There isn't any undefeated NM any more! And SE did a good job in introducing well balanced gear for nearly every situation (in terms you wan't to switch situationwise). But it's people like you who want everything served on a silver platter.

New content doesn't require new gear. You allready get 90% of the items out of new content that was allready implemented. It's just another way to get stuff. And in case new gear will be introduced - toss/sell stuff you don't need anymore.

I don't need to give you new ideas cause there isn't any new idea needed.
SE did a great job for the items you can get out of VW and esp. for relic+2 and I have great hopes for af+2 to come soon or later.

As long as you don't consider balancing in you'r postings I'll oppose them cause you'r a fault.

PS: A great idea to free up inventory - toss it and you'll get your inventory reliefed. ;p

[Hawk]

Minda mind your own business.
Leveling a job is something you should do cause you'r interested in it and not for the 99.
And yes - I can play all jobs verry well and contribute more to the party than your garbage.

Storage is part of the game. Deal with it!
Creating better and better items for what reason? There isn't any undefeated NM any more! And SE did a good job in introducing well balanced gear for nearly every situation (in terms you wan't to switch situationwise). But it's people like you who want everything served on a silver platter.

New content doesn't require new gear. You allready get 90% of the items out of new content that was allready implemented. It's just another way to get stuff. And in case new gear will be introduced - toss/sell stuff you don't need anymore.

I don't need to give you new ideas cause there isn't any new idea needed.
SE did a great job for the items you can get out of VW and esp. for relic+2 and I have great hopes for af+2 to come soon or later.

As long as you don't consider balancing in you'r postings I'll oppose them cause you'r a fault.

PS: A great idea to free up inventory - toss it and you'll get your inventory reliefed. ;p

Seriously, wow. Why do you continue to post when you are bringing NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE to the conversation. "Inventory is fine. Don't play jobs. Toss your gear. etc etc" Nothing said here is constructive. Instead of bringing in a real solution to at least discuss, your solution is to toss your gear? Even in spite, it just proves that you intend to bring nothing relative to this conversation and I really wish you would just leave. Simple as that.

And you still have NOT provided an answer to my question. 92 pieces into 80 WITHOUT removing a single piece. So your spiteful solution won't work. Until you do, I will not be replying to you anymore unless you ACTUALLY bring something constructive to the conversation.

It still amazes me that there could be people out there that have nothing better to do then to argue with no reason. Seriously, find a hobby. Go continue playing your jobs without maximizing them. Have fun with that and I wish you the best. But I'm not feeding this useless troll anymore.

[Ihnako]

And you still have NOT provided an answer to my question. 92 pieces into 80 WITHOUT removing a single piece.

You don't need 92 pieces of crap. NO JOB NEEDs more than 50-60.
Prove that you need 92 and I tell you that you'r a failure in life.

[Arcon]

You don't need 92 pieces of crap. NO JOB NEEDs more than 50-60.

Who says that they do? Get this: No job needs any items at all. Every job has its full functionality naked. You can cast the same spells (well, maybe except Impact), you can use the same abilities, etc. So why get items at all? Why not play with the 30 inventory we have from the start?

We're not saying we need 92 items to play a job. We're saying we need 92 items (and that's being gracious for some jobs) to play a job perfectly. And we want to play our jobs as good as we can. I can understand if not everyone agrees with that choice, you are obviously fine with being subpar, we are not. We want to be as good as we can possibly be.

Now, if SE would place an arbitrary restriction on your inventory, 80 places, then I could understand that that was part of the game balance. But that's not the case. If you believe that you're delusional. SE wants us to have bigger inventories as much as we want it ourselves, if only to get everyone to stop bitching about it. They invest a lot of time and effort into measures to ease our storage issues: increased inventory, new storage options, event item depository, armor set depository, Porter Moogle and muling options, if I'm not forgetting something. They go to great lengths to try and satisfy our storage needs, and we're simply offering them a quick, easy and simple to implement solution. And we're not even requesting better items, as you so casually assume, we just want one item that combines features of already existing items, that's all.

You say we don't need more inventory? Well, not only does every player I've ever known disagree with you, but even SE themselves disagree with you (and if you look carefully, you even disagree yourself). How can you still be so convinced of your opinion?

Prove that you need 92 and I tell you that you'r a failure in life.

We get it. You win at real life because you're bad at an MMOG. That seems to sum up all of your posts so far. Now go away master of us all, you have lectured us enough.

Don't you wish you could just ban certain people from posting in a thread >.>

I wish I could ban people from life.