To the devs!

[cidbahamut]

Thankfully we were put on the Sword Magian trials which greatly boosted our melee potential, but again SE could just as easily put us on the dagger ones and called it a day.

And they could just as easily have put us on club trials and called it a day. Was there a point you were trying to make or are you just flapping your jaw to the tune of your single-minded narrative again?

[Economizer]

RDM could have used a potent MAB buff spell

The magic equivalent of Dia would be nice. Or better yet, Dia and Bio could work for magic defense and magic attack in addition to their current functions. At very least under Saboteur if nothing else, although seeing Diaga II and Diaga III (for RDM with Dia III merits) that also impact magic defense on mobs would be incredibly nice for AE burns with Red Mages.

[Seriha]

How does anything I say suggest that we got CDC and we can leave it at that?

Well, we've got some saying melee is fine where it's at, which functions under the assumption of having CDC. Even then, it's an uphill battle socially and mathematically, the latter contributing to the former. I'm also of the mind that a job's status should not be reliant on a single item, for as I've coined it before, Zero to Hero status.

[ManaKing]

I'd rather have a WS that is good before a WS that just fits your image of the job. Gearing for CDC is incredibly simple. Gearing for Cloudsplitter is impossible. Cloudsplitter is not a good WS or even a decent one. Period.

For the jobs that get it. I would, once again, love to have a cloudsplitter type WS on RDM, because we could actually gear for it, it would fit the general strengths of the job, and we would be able to be effective with it.

We are in complete agreement that Cloudspiltter sucks on BST and WAR, but the WS itself is not lackluster, only the applicable jobs' ability to use it. It is a good WS that was completely misappropriated. Sorry you can't see the comparison but it's right there.

CDC is a mismatch for RDM because it doesn't play to the jobs strengths and thus it is a blanket buff. It just so happens that crit hit WSs are just plain good almost completely regardless of the situation, so RDM got a lucky break. But what they still havent gotten is any personalized attention to actually fix the majority of the problems the job has.

And Gain-Attribute spells. And a new type of debuff. And a job ability that enhances debuffs. And Temper.

Gains are only good when you don't have a WHM, so doing nothing serious. Debuff? Addle that is shared with other jobs or Gravity 2/Break which were useless on shipment? A job ability that is wasted everytime you cast a debuff because the mob was immune or doesn't actually confer any sort of qualitative debuff?

Temper is good. But doesn't do anything for a RDM in a party since clearly, we aren't supposed to melee.



And as far as BLM vs RDM goes. BLM is actually good at it's job by design and has almost every proc and does the most damage nuking. Wonder why they didn't need a bunch of buffs to make them appealing in a system that forces you to proc to get anything good.....

[ManaKing]

The magic equivalent of Dia would be nice. Or better yet, Dia and Bio could work for magic defense and magic attack in addition to their current functions. At very least under Saboteur if nothing else, although seeing Diaga II and Diaga III (for RDM with Dia III merits) that also impact magic defense on mobs would be incredibly nice for AE burns with Red Mages.

That would be pretty great.

[Kristal]

Rdm has never learned Ex weaponskills for Sword without appropriate subjob. The problem was Sanguine Blade was a Ex WS.

The problem is that sword weaponskills were assigned without regards to the jobs that use them. Why would WAR be on ELEMENTAL weaponskills? Why is DRK on them, when RDM, with a HIGHER skill rating, is not? Why is RDM unable to use elemental weaponskills when they are the epitomous magic sword wielder?

SE doesn't want RDM to melee, so they curb weaponskills RDM would natively excel at. They don't want RDM to cast, so they make mobs immune to the one magic skill we excel at. They don't want RDM to cure, don't want RDM to nuke.
And then they turn all that around and give RDM SELF-ONLY spells to enhance our melee...

Whoever is in charge of RDM job balancing, he's utterly and completely off the beaten track, stuffing local herbs in a handcrafted pipe while soaking in a sulphurous hot mud spring...

[Greatguardian]

You're ignorant if you think that just because RDM is a mage with some access to MAB in gear/traits that it would somehow make Elemental weaponskills worth using.

Even if RDM got Cloudsplitter, CDC would shit on it. This is one case where the Devs know what you need a hell of a lot better than you do.

[ManaKing]

You're ignorant if you think that just because RDM is a mage with some access to MAB in gear/traits that it would somehow make Elemental weaponskills worth using.

Even if RDM got Cloudsplitter, CDC would shit on it. This is one case where the Devs know what you need a hell of a lot better than you do.

With all due respect, GG, shut up. You say you play a decent COR but somehow you fail to realize where a large portion of your damage is coming from, an Elemental WS. I don't see you complaining about Wildfire, because it is awesome. The people that actually play RDM want something awesome to do with all of their MAB as well.

[saevel]

A RDM using something on the order of Cloud Splitter would be pretty good. Not quite as potent as Wildfire due to WF COR's cheating and using an Ifrits staff, but close. 40% STR / MND favors and being a MAB WS favor's RDM's greatly over BST / WARs.

Heck just look at Sang Blade and Aeolian Edge for a good idea of what a RDM can do on their own. While our melee gear is somewhat sh!t our mage gear, especially MND and MAB, is beyond awesome.

[cidbahamut]

The people that actually play RDM want something awesome to do with all of their MAB as well.