Proc systems are so annoying. please do away with them forever

[Alhanelem]

That person is delusional. I don't even respond anymore.

You just did.

What exactly is "delusional" about what I have written? Why is "That guy is delisonal" all you're able to say? You don't seem to have any rationale for anything you post.

The proc system didnt change zerging. . . . .

It DID change zerging, as far as having to hold back and do nothing while you wait for procs to be triggered. Procing was created to slow down fights. It does so, but in a very cheap and silly way.

If you dont want to respond to someone, then put them on your block list so you don't have to read it.

I myself, do not wanna see proc systems in dungeon crawling, the last stand or any toau revamp. This includes einherjar and salvage revamps obviously (OMG THAT WOULD BE ANNOYING)

As I already posted before, SE already stated that they're not planning on doing that.

[Anewie]

You just did.

What exactly is "delusional" about what I have written? Why is "That guy is delisonal" all you're able to say? You don't seem to have any rationale for anything you post.

It DID change zerging, as far as having to hold back and do nothing while you wait for procs to be triggered. Procing was created to slow down fights. It does so, but in a very cheap and silly way.

If you dont want to respond to someone, then put them on your block list so you don't have to read it.

As I already posted before, SE already stated that they're not planning on doing that.

I was talking about Sparthos.. Not you...

/facepalm

What you said pretty much sums up everything I said. . . .

[Kaisha]

I'd rather they do away with mobs that close to one-shots anything that isn't using a Fanatic's Drink, a full PDT/MDT set, or is a PLD.

Seems to be the trend with modern VW, and Walk of Echoes(hence Walk of Avatars).

[Alhanelem]

Most monsters worth fighting have auto-regain or auto-TP anyways so this is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant because TP caps at 300%. I'm saying let it go higher- make the TP moves even worse.

[Greatguardian]

It's not irrelevant because TP caps at 300%. I'm saying let it go higher- make the TP moves even worse.

If the monsters have Auto-TP/Auto-Regain, then player-fed TP is completely irrelevant to how much damage they're doing. That's how most higher level NMs are right now. It doesn't matter if you have 1 PLD on the NM or 18 Ukons, it will TP at the same rate because it gets Auto/Infini-TP

[Alhanelem]

If the monsters have Auto-TP/Auto-Regain, then player-fed TP is completely irrelevant to how much damage they're doing. That's how most higher level NMs are right now. It doesn't matter if you have 1 PLD on the NM or 18 Ukons, it will TP at the same rate because it gets Auto/Infini-TP

I understand this- That's why I'm saying remove the 300% cap from such monsters. The amount of TP gained between one TP move and the next will be larger, the move will be more devistating, and it will thusly discourage such behavior. Since the monster is going to TP at the same rate regardless, may as well make the attacks stronger until the rate of giving TP decreases.

Not that many NMs TP at the fastest possible rate when only one or a few people are attacking.

[Greatguardian]

I understand this- That's why I'm saying remove the 300% cap from such monsters. The amount of TP gained between one TP move and the next will be larger, the move will be more devistating, and it will thusly discourage such behavior. Since the monster is going to TP at the same rate regardless, may as well make the attacks stronger until the rate of giving TP decreases.

Not that many NMs TP at the fastest possible rate when only one or a few people are attacking.

Honestly, these are the sorts of things that encourage zerging though. When NMs deal monstrous AoE damage, the most effective strategy is almost always CSS/Fanatic's and zerging it before it can kill you. Trying to put larger emphasis on NM's offensive capabilities only makes zerging more attractive.

[Alhanelem]

Honestly, these are the sorts of things that encourage zerging though. When NMs deal monstrous AoE damage, the most effective strategy is almost always CSS/Fanatic's and zerging it before it can kill you. Trying to put larger emphasis on NM's offensive capabilities only makes zerging more attractive.

Even though this is illogical, since taking it slower would/should result in a higher probability of success.
Immunity to stun and lack of Fanatics (Not something typically available outside of special events anyway) can address the easiest mitigation tactics.

[Anewie]

Only place i am against the proc system is in dynamis. unlike abys and voidwatch, dynamis is always tiresome.

[MojoJojo]

Only place i am against the proc system is in dynamis. unlike abys and voidwatch, dynamis is always tiresome.

Not to really bitch, but perhaps the original post should have stated that. And not "everyone" is against it. I know i'm not. As stated before, I actually like being able to control drop rates (to some extent) rather than rely on the mysterious TH. Snag a Thief with max TH and you can still struggle to get anything.....

I would probably have an issue with the proc system in VW....where it seems to be fairly pointless.