Blu Tp Set and WS set Suggestions for upgrade :D

[VZX]

That's a lot of assumptions to be put on table, isn't it?

And only the proc'd one is replaced with a new one, not the entire set. And hence,
What about the "Leave 1 easy JA proc when shield is up" rule? That's a good rule to follow, assuming everyone listen/hold their party chat line.

I've gotten a screw up in Pil recently. Not simply because the proc set was bad; It was a Great Sword proc with none other than 2 WARs we had(Bravura & Ukon) were capable proc'ing that. It was well over 30 seconds since the proc called and none of the 2 swaped their Great Axe to Great Sword... until the shield was up and proceed screwing everyone.
But since it was a win. I got nothing to complaint with 5~7 extra minutes of handling the bad situation.

And as for DT set in this Pil case,
Even if you have them, you will still rely on Coercion/Tactician roll to accumulate TP.

So yes, you lieing to support your argument of never requiring a DT/PDT set. Attempting to pound your chest and say how awesome you are because apparently your magical and your very presence ensured that your alliance will never get screwed over on procs.

No, I'm not lying of what I've said. I never got any Pil fight come into failure because I don't use DT/PDT set. The last alliance I had was a mess, but it still resulted in win. Please stop putting words into my mouth, moreover, by the experience you had imposed as my experience.

[saevel]

That's a lot of assumptions to be put on table, isn't it?

And only the proc'd one is replaced with a new one, not the entire set. And hence,
What about the "Leave 1 easy JA proc when shield is up" rule? That's a good rule to follow, assuming everyone listen/hold their party chat line.

I've gotten a screw up in Pil recently. Not simply because the proc set was bad; It was a Great Sword proc with none other than 2 WARs we had(Bravura & Ukon) were capable proc'ing that. It was well over 30 seconds since the proc called and none of the 2 swaped their Great Axe to Great Sword... until the shield was up and proceed screwing everyone.
But since it was a win. I got nothing to complaint with 5~7 extra minutes of handling the bad situation.

And as for DT set in this Pil case,
Even if you have them, you will still rely on Coercion/Tactician roll to accumulate TP.


No, I'm not lying of what I've said. I never got any Pil fight come into failure because I don't use DT/PDT set. The last alliance I had was a mess, but it still resulted in win. Please stop putting words into my mouth, moreover, by the experience you had imposed as my experience.

Again your BSing. And now trying to say I don't know how procs cycle, hit an HV and a new HV takes its place, same with V.

Which was my entire point, there can only be 2 HV's at any point in time and 6 V's. Thus if one of your HV's is something stupid / unobtainable then your limited with only 1 HV for the rest of the fight to use for restoring fanatics drink. If you get screwed on both HV's, which happens more often then your willing to admit, then your stuck with using V's to try to restore fanatics. If you fail to restore fanatics, then Flank Opening or ~insert move of death here~ will start one shoting people, this includes the people trying to hit the proc.

So tell me again how your going to handle

HV SCH Abilities
HV BST Rabit Family Special Moves

~assorted V procs~

Or HV Dark Ninja Magic, HV Dark Elemental Magic (Blind / Blind II). Or HV Ice White Magic (Paralyze / Paralyze II) on a NM that's immune to Paralyze. Then all the PUP pet moves, and the Wyvern breath abilities.

I'm only using Pil because it's a perfect example of the situation I'm talking about. If you keep fanatics up then he's ridiculously easy. If you can't keep fanatics up then the fight goes to hell in a hurry. You can eak out a win, but it's going to be messy with lots of death and weakened people. Kaggen just likes to screw you over with aoe slow + amnesia to prevent you from hitting WS procs, otherwise he's pretty easy himself. I've done tons of VWNM's and most of the time their easy now that everyone has a procing method down to keep fanatics up. BUT you will get screwed, its a certainty that it will happen and you'll be forced to rely on DT/PDT sets to try to proc without a fanatics up.

[VZX]

What if the mentioned scenarios comes up? Wipe, redo.
What do you lose other than it takes time to wipe + 5 minutes waiting weakened status removed? In what sense survivability to continue a fight with a such badly aligned proc set should be endorsed? The popper lose the stone? 30k? I'll reimburse it, if it's me who made him to pop or made the alliance setup.

BUT you will get screwed, its a certainty that it will happen and you'll be forced to rely on DT/PDT sets to try to proc without a fanatics up.

Well... if you are to assert yourself that much, then I will have nothing to say, sir.

[Defiledsickness]

ive only fought pil twice but my LS doesnt have much of a problem killing him. that being said there are ALWAYS times when we dont have procs or one doesnt get hit for minutes at a time. you cant have all 20 jobs in one ally because there's only 18 spaces. (usually 2whm, 2pld, and 3blm varying based on who is in your ally)

i dont often use a pdt/dt/or Mdt set when doing VW but i also die on occasion (sometimes i die a lot, typically have RR up for it so idc). but to be less of a D*** to your whm, you should have these sets. you can very easily proc without your DD sets. sometimes i sit in MDT sets the entire fight (if i dont need to DD or just while im trying to proc).

in w/e case you still WILL have crappy PUG groups. most times i fight Kaggen with a PUG im like the only one trying to proc :P there are still people who havent even done VW once yet. furthermore to post something that is unlikely on a forum for the majority of people who are asking BECAUSE they're unaware, you shouldnt post stuff that isnt likely. even if you have temps 80% of the time there are people without temps and 20% chance to die.

[saevel]

What if the mentioned scenarios comes up? Wipe, redo.
What do you lose other than it takes time to wipe + 5 minutes waiting weakened status removed? In what sense survivability to continue a fight with a such badly aligned proc set should be endorsed? The popper lose the stone? 30k? I'll reimburse it, if it's me who made him to pop or made the alliance setup.


Well... if you are to assert yourself that much, then I will have nothing to say, sir.

There we have it, you'd rather quit and redo then be bothered to have the proper PDT sets.

It's also more then just losing a stone, you do fights in sets of four for a reason. Losing a stone means only doing three, or at a minimum waiting on someone to run back to town to get another stone. Easy on the Jeuno T3's, not so easy on the Zilart T3's on the ones in the past (Jeuno T5's).

And yes it happens, you'll get proc screwed out of at least one HV every 6~10 fights. If your lucky it'll happen later on in the fight after you've hit EV and your basically just zerging the thing down with fanatics, at that point it doesn't matter and you'll get the win. As I've said, most of my Pil's have been HV -> V -> EV -> HV -> V and it's pretty much terrorized most of the fight, but I've had several that we just got absolutely screwed on HV procs and it went around aoe one shoting everyone. Stil got a win thanks to the MNK and WAR having a PDT set and being able to hold it away from everyone else.

[VZX]

i dont often use a pdt/dt/or Mdt set when doing VW but i also die on occasion (sometimes i die a lot, typically have RR up for it so idc). but to be less of a D*** to your whm, you should have these sets. you can very easily proc without your DD sets. sometimes i sit in MDT sets the entire fight (if i dont need to DD or just while im trying to proc).

It would be more helpful if you pop that Lucid Potion II/III instead of waiting cure coming to you.

in w/e case you still WILL have crappy PUG groups.

I'm sorry for you still will have crappy PUG.

most times i fight Kaggen with a PUG im like the only one trying to proc :P there are still people who havent even done VW once yet. furthermore to post something that is unlikely on a forum for the majority of people who are asking BECAUSE they're unaware, you shouldnt post stuff that isnt likely. even if you have temps 80% of the time there are people without temps and 20% chance to die.

And what is this unlikelihood you speak of ?
As far as I'm concerned, I only care whether I can win, whatever turbulence I will have during fight is less of concern. If you care about how smooth your fight is going to be, then go ahead being picky choosing your member.

There we have it, you'd rather quit and redo then be bothered to have the proper PDT sets.

Could you possibly be serious about continuing a fight deprived from full temp items restoration? I rather call it redo and have the popper warped/retraced for restone.

It's also more then just losing a stone, you do fights in sets of four for a reason. Losing a stone means only doing three, or at a minimum waiting on someone to run back to town to get another stone. Easy on the Jeuno T3's, not so easy on the Zilart T3's on the ones in the past (Jeuno T5's).

Popper must have the Atmacite refiner warp. It shouldn't take that long.
Not having Instant Warp/Retrace/ Sprinter Shoes? I think my requirement is already much more lenient than forcing to have PDT set. 3 Inventory slots. You can put it on sack, and cost like 10CP+10AN+980AN and couple seconds to retrieve them from NPC.

You will get yelled for not having self-sneak/invis in 2004. Do people cut loose these days about this kind of preparation?

[Tashan]

Saeval's right.

[Oricimaru]

Quick Question... i would make a new thread but it wont let me so here goes... I see alot of blu's on my server with MAB magian swords, Would that at all affect physcial spells and would a staff be better for those situations?

[SpankWustler]

Quick Question... i would make a new thread but it wont let me so here goes... I see alot of blu's on my server with MAB magian swords, Would that at all affect physcial spells and would a staff be better for those situations?

Due to being made during ice weather and made out of ice geodes and Slurpees and stuff, the Magic Attack Bonus swords are really cheap and easy to make compared to some options. They still have good base damage and Magic Attack Bonus isn't totally useless, so some folks make them.

Staves are better for magical spells outside of a few specific cases, and the Slurpee Swords do nothing at all for physical spells.

[Oricimaru]

Which specific cases are those if i might ask? i can see something you able to melee, but if you can melee it why not jsut use physical spells and a STR or DEX sword?