Questions about ToS and Windower

[Greatguardian]

Botting and hacking are essentially independent of Windower so they will probably never ban you for Windower at all.

They'll just ban you for botting and hacking.

[Lafaiel]

Botting and hacking are essentially independent of Windower so they will probably never ban you for Windower at all.

They'll just ban you for botting and hacking.

Pretty much, I first though this thread was a necro from 05 or something, but then I rememberded this forum only came about recently.

[Rohelius]

Unless you're botting or hacking SE is not going to suspend you for windower.

That's not correct.

Botting and hacking are essentially independent of Windower so they will probably never ban you for Windower at all.

They'll just ban you for botting and hacking.

GM Skirata says:

"Hello everyone and thank you all for posting your views on this matter. Just to clarify, the use of any third party program that interacts with the game would be a violation, which can be reviewed in the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement under sections 2.1, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. Should you have evidence of any third party program being used, you can report it to the GMs or the Special Task Force directly here. We will be closing the thread at this time, since the initial question has been answered. Thank you for your inquiry into our policies, and have a great day."

[Alhanelem]

That's not correct.



GM Skirata says:

"Hello everyone and thank you all for posting your views on this matter. Just to clarify, the use of any third party program that interacts with the game would be a violation, which can be reviewed in the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement under sections 2.1, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. Should you have evidence of any third party program being used, you can report it to the GMs or the Special Task Force directly here. We will be closing the thread at this time, since the initial question has been answered. Thank you for your inquiry into our policies, and have a great day."

They aren't talking about what the rules say. They're talking about what happens in practice.

For many things like windower, it can't be proven directly that someone is using it unless they specifically admit to using it. Thus, unless you get tattled on, SE doesn't have much to go on. They do not (whether they did at one time or not) scan your computer and since they can't actively find and stop people using windower, it is rare for action to actually be taken, even though it's explicitly against the rules.

You're right that it's completely a rule transgression. However, it is rare that this goes noticed.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

That's not correct.



GM Skirata says:

"Hello everyone and thank you all for posting your views on this matter. Just to clarify, the use of any third party program that interacts with the game would be a violation, which can be reviewed in the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement under sections 2.1, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. Should you have evidence of any third party program being used, you can report it to the GMs or the Special Task Force directly here. We will be closing the thread at this time, since the initial question has been answered. Thank you for your inquiry into our policies, and have a great day."

SE will ban you if you openly use Windower, obviously. It's just most likely true their focus is people that Hack and Bot, with bans being issued for Windower if they find you using it.

I use my phone to translate J>E E>J and i always just use Romaji since there is no real need to use the in-game translate for everything, i also don't know what the difference is between it and actual Japanese characters since i don't speak it, but its never failed to get an answer from people so i don't see why you need Windower for something available from the internet with the games Windowed mode.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand windower is marketed just like steroids, they call it a "Enhancement" and not a edge which i think is just total BS since its clearly an edge over anyone not using it.

One click of a button and you can change every single equip for a spell/ws/day/weather you name it while if you play by the rules you only have 5 lines for commands....

Don't be lazy and play by the rules.

You can't use JAP in the English client, regardless what method you use to translate it.

You can't Copy + Paste in FFXI, and you can't type in JAP, so I'd love to know how you do. The only way is the JAP client, and you're not meant to really use that if you're English.

[FrankReynolds]

SE will ban you if you openly use Windower, obviously. It's just most likely true their focus is people that Hack and Bot, with bans being issued for Windower if they find you using it.



You can't use JAP in the English client, regardless what method you use to translate it.

You can't Copy + Paste in FFXI, and you can't type in JAP, so I'd love to know how you do. The only way is the JAP client, and you're not meant to really use that if you're English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese

he translates it into romaji, and then types in the translation.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese

he translates it into romaji, and then types in the translation.

Ah, I see.

[Greatguardian]

That's not correct.

Yes it is.

GM Skirata says:

"Hello everyone and thank you all for posting your views on this matter. Just to clarify, the use of any third party program that interacts with the game would be a violation, which can be reviewed in the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement under sections 2.1, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. Should you have evidence of any third party program being used, you can report it to the GMs or the Special Task Force directly here. We will be closing the thread at this time, since the initial question has been answered. Thank you for your inquiry into our policies, and have a great day."

Already covered:

The official stance will always be that it's against the rules. No one working for the company will ever be allowed to tell you differently, period. People have been suspended/banned because of JP text in their bazaars/search comments in the past, though this mostly happened to people who were GM'd maliciously by people who didn't like them.

If you want the honest, practical truth? No one is going to care one bit. If you want the official stance? It's against the rules, and they'll never, ever say otherwise.