Questions about ToS and Windower

[Daniel_Hatcher]

That's not correct.



GM Skirata says:

"Hello everyone and thank you all for posting your views on this matter. Just to clarify, the use of any third party program that interacts with the game would be a violation, which can be reviewed in the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement under sections 2.1, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. Should you have evidence of any third party program being used, you can report it to the GMs or the Special Task Force directly here. We will be closing the thread at this time, since the initial question has been answered. Thank you for your inquiry into our policies, and have a great day."

SE will ban you if you openly use Windower, obviously. It's just most likely true their focus is people that Hack and Bot, with bans being issued for Windower if they find you using it.

I use my phone to translate J>E E>J and i always just use Romaji since there is no real need to use the in-game translate for everything, i also don't know what the difference is between it and actual Japanese characters since i don't speak it, but its never failed to get an answer from people so i don't see why you need Windower for something available from the internet with the games Windowed mode.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand windower is marketed just like steroids, they call it a "Enhancement" and not a edge which i think is just total BS since its clearly an edge over anyone not using it.

One click of a button and you can change every single equip for a spell/ws/day/weather you name it while if you play by the rules you only have 5 lines for commands....

Don't be lazy and play by the rules.

You can't use JAP in the English client, regardless what method you use to translate it.

You can't Copy + Paste in FFXI, and you can't type in JAP, so I'd love to know how you do. The only way is the JAP client, and you're not meant to really use that if you're English.

[Runespider]

Not much point asking for a rep or higher repsonse, even the community reps we have post more on the XIV forum than here XD

The XI playerbase for Square are just the annoying subscribers that refuse to do what they want and quietly move over to FFXIV like they want us to.

[FrankReynolds]

SE will ban you if you openly use Windower, obviously. It's just most likely true their focus is people that Hack and Bot, with bans being issued for Windower if they find you using it.



You can't use JAP in the English client, regardless what method you use to translate it.

You can't Copy + Paste in FFXI, and you can't type in JAP, so I'd love to know how you do. The only way is the JAP client, and you're not meant to really use that if you're English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese

he translates it into romaji, and then types in the translation.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese

he translates it into romaji, and then types in the translation.

Ah, I see.

[Mifaco]

If you type in Romaji, the JP will treat you the same as typing in English - wanting nothing to do with you.

[FrankReynolds]

If you type in Romaji, the JP will treat you the same as typing in English - wanting nothing to do with you.

I dunno, back before NA release, that was about all you could do and people got along. Turns out Japanese people are just like any other nationality. Some are a-holes, some are really cool.

EDIT: However, A-holes tend to be more vocal and get noticed more.

[Greatguardian]

That's not correct.

Yes it is.

GM Skirata says:

"Hello everyone and thank you all for posting your views on this matter. Just to clarify, the use of any third party program that interacts with the game would be a violation, which can be reviewed in the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement under sections 2.1, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. Should you have evidence of any third party program being used, you can report it to the GMs or the Special Task Force directly here. We will be closing the thread at this time, since the initial question has been answered. Thank you for your inquiry into our policies, and have a great day."

Already covered:

The official stance will always be that it's against the rules. No one working for the company will ever be allowed to tell you differently, period. People have been suspended/banned because of JP text in their bazaars/search comments in the past, though this mostly happened to people who were GM'd maliciously by people who didn't like them.

If you want the honest, practical truth? No one is going to care one bit. If you want the official stance? It's against the rules, and they'll never, ever say otherwise.

[Byrth]

This is direct proof that someone is using Windower, though. In general it's difficult to differentiate someone using windower and someone not using windower, unless they dug through the files installed.

This is untrue, and it's a huge misconception. If SE did any statistical analysis of the data that is sent to their servers it would be immediately obvious who is using the plugins like Spellcast, Gearcollector, Blinkmenot, Lightluggage, etc. I bet I could write a stupid little script that would sort through their data and label people who automate those functions and those who don't that's like 99% accurate within a day. They don't prosecute people for it because they're choosing not to, not because they somehow can't. Anyone who was around for the gardening bans knows they have no problem with banning a guiltless 1%. Whatever, bravo for SE.

.... welllllll.... these are the people who took almost a decade to invent moogle storage slips, which pretty much use a 101-level programming trick.

Honestly though, I have a friend who was a quasi-diehard anti-Spellcast guy for years. He switched and started using spellcast in his twilight days and loved it, then quit about a year later. The first thing he said when I told him FFXI might be coming out for PSVita last week, "That sounds great and it would be cool to be able to pick it up and play wherever, but spellcast won't work on it so I don't really feel like playing." Windower and its plugins are a huge asset to SE in terms of player retention and they apparently recognize it enough to not ban for it.

[FrankReynolds]

This is untrue, and it's a huge misconception. If SE did any statistical analysis of the data that is sent to their servers it would be immediately obvious who is using the plugins like Spellcast, Gearcollector, Blinkmenot, Lightluggage, etc. I bet I could write a stupid little script that would sort through their data and label people who automate those functions and those who don't that's like 99% accurate within a day. They don't prosecute people for it because they're choosing not to, not because they somehow can't. Anyone who was around for the gardening bans knows they have no problem with banning a guiltless 1%. Whatever, bravo for SE.

.... welllllll.... these are the people who took almost a decade to invent moogle storage slips, which pretty much use a 101-level programming trick.

Honestly though, I have a friend who was a quasi-diehard anti-Spellcast guy for years. He switched and started using spellcast in his twilight days and love it, then quit about a year later. The first thing he said when I told him FFXI might be coming out for PSVita last week, "That sounds great and it would be cool to be able to pick it up and play wherever, but spellcast won't work on it so I don't really feel like playing." Windower and its plugins are a huge asset to SE in terms of player retention and they apparently recognize it enough to not ban for it.

They said this about the new UI in the Final Fantasy XIV 2.0 overview:

Therefore, we have chosen to
completely rebuild the UI system
core in conjunction with the server
system updates. Not only will this
allow us to implement new features,
but also significantly improve
response times and open the door
for user-made add-ons.
*What are Add-ons?
Add-ons are user-generated UI content
created by fans from around the world for
use within a company-developed game. Addons are customizable, and help to enhance
the overall gameplay experience

Just a shot in the dark, but I get the impression that they are trying to incorporate some sort of official windower plugin thingy here. At any rate, it appears that they have warmed to the idea of players controlling the interface to some degree.

[Meyi]

This is untrue, and it's a huge misconception. If SE did any statistical analysis of the data that is sent to their servers it would be immediately obvious who is using the plugins like Spellcast, Gearcollector, Blinkmenot, Lightluggage, etc. I bet I could write a stupid little script that would sort through their data and label people who automate those functions and those who don't that's like 99% accurate within a day. They don't prosecute people for it because they're choosing not to, not because they somehow can't. Anyone who was around for the gardening bans knows they have no problem with banning a guiltless 1%. Whatever, bravo for SE.

-sigh- I meant Windower itself, not the plugins that some people choose to use with it. :/

Honestly though, I have a friend who was a quasi-diehard anti-Spellcast guy for years. He switched and started using spellcast in his twilight days and loved it, then quit about a year later. The first thing he said when I told him FFXI might be coming out for PSVita last week, "That sounds great and it would be cool to be able to pick it up and play wherever, but spellcast won't work on it so I don't really feel like playing." Windower and its plugins are a huge asset to SE in terms of player retention and they apparently recognize it enough to not ban for it.

I agree.