Questions about ToS and Windower

[Tsukino_Kaji]

what if i use a japanese console and japanese client?

If you have the JP version of the game, you will be able to imput JP text assuming your system is capable of doing so.
Unless these people were lying and just using windower plugins. lol

[Lafaiel]

Whats so wrong with with wanting to talk to your friends if you speak japanese? My jp friend can speak english very well and can switch between both easily, google translate does not come close to translating a conversation in japanese and is not feasable for fast replies.

This game has been out for a long time and despite the jp only crowd there have been some amazing freindships between jp and na players, some people have learned japanese just for that reason, no need to bedgrudge them the gift of conversation with a friend.

Unless you're botting or hacking SE is not going to suspend you for windower.

[Greatguardian]

Botting and hacking are essentially independent of Windower so they will probably never ban you for Windower at all.

They'll just ban you for botting and hacking.

[Lafaiel]

Botting and hacking are essentially independent of Windower so they will probably never ban you for Windower at all.

They'll just ban you for botting and hacking.

Pretty much, I first though this thread was a necro from 05 or something, but then I rememberded this forum only came about recently.

[Meyi]

One click of a button and you can change every single equip for a spell/ws/day/weather you name it while if you play by the rules you only have 5 lines for commands....

Or you could be cool like me and use 2 macros to switch all of your gear. Not hard, I promise.

[Rohelius]

Unless you're botting or hacking SE is not going to suspend you for windower.

That's not correct.

Botting and hacking are essentially independent of Windower so they will probably never ban you for Windower at all.

They'll just ban you for botting and hacking.

GM Skirata says:

"Hello everyone and thank you all for posting your views on this matter. Just to clarify, the use of any third party program that interacts with the game would be a violation, which can be reviewed in the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement under sections 2.1, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. Should you have evidence of any third party program being used, you can report it to the GMs or the Special Task Force directly here. We will be closing the thread at this time, since the initial question has been answered. Thank you for your inquiry into our policies, and have a great day."

[Alhanelem]

That's not correct.



GM Skirata says:

"Hello everyone and thank you all for posting your views on this matter. Just to clarify, the use of any third party program that interacts with the game would be a violation, which can be reviewed in the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement under sections 2.1, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. Should you have evidence of any third party program being used, you can report it to the GMs or the Special Task Force directly here. We will be closing the thread at this time, since the initial question has been answered. Thank you for your inquiry into our policies, and have a great day."

They aren't talking about what the rules say. They're talking about what happens in practice.

For many things like windower, it can't be proven directly that someone is using it unless they specifically admit to using it. Thus, unless you get tattled on, SE doesn't have much to go on. They do not (whether they did at one time or not) scan your computer and since they can't actively find and stop people using windower, it is rare for action to actually be taken, even though it's explicitly against the rules.

You're right that it's completely a rule transgression. However, it is rare that this goes noticed.

[Prothscar]

Don't know if they'd be too comfortable banning 2/5 (probably much more) or so of their playerbase for using Windower either.

[Zhronne]

Non-Japanese players, by default, don't have access to the IME interface that allows them to talk in all the funny squiggles we see our friends from the Far East use. In comparison, they're actually able to type English characters, e v e n i f t h e y w i n d u p w e i r d l y s p a c e d o u t. Unfortunately, a non-JP account caught using JP characters risks punishment, because it's obvious they tinkered with the client to do so.

It's not really that obvious, you can use IME on X360 with an EU account and an EU copy of the game on an EU console with an EU keyboard.

[Zhronne]

Concerning the Windower general issue, there's clearly an aquiescence from SE on its regards.
Do you think it could be any other way after so many years, with so many people using it? And how many have been banned because of it?

At the same time they can't come upfront and "officially" say they agree to a moderate use of Windower, it's like in politics, there are things you just cannot say for many reasons.
As long as you do the basic things with Windower and don't play too much with "strange toys", you have nothing to worry about.