WHM/RDM

[Jerbob]

I can appreciate that SE were trying to sort out SCH's percieved lack of healing ability. There was something wrong with how the job was working, and I won't deny that. I just wish that there was something more creative than just lifting a set of spells directly from other jobs, slapping it onto SCH and calling it fixed. It's not fixed. SCH is a peg without a hole to fit in, partywise, as things stand. SE would do far better making support casters more valuable in parties - but that would require some thought and work, whereas repackaging regen did not.

I won't deny that some of my bitterness comes from this being the latest event in a massive string of SCH-related insanity that has affected me, directly or indirectly, as a White Mage. But in this case (in stark contrast with my spite-motivated refusal to sub SCH :P) I think there's definitely reason to be annoyed. Yes, regen is not every effective at the moment. The issue lies in the fact that there's now never going to be a universal fix because SCH has claimed regen as its own. I was really hoping for something nice to be done with regen, and now that's not going to happen. That's the real tragedy of this whole thing, in my opinion.

Short story short - Regen isn't that versatile or efficient at the moment. Before SCH laid claim to it, there was potential to have it become a powerful tool again (should SE decide to apply a pinch of creativity). Now, it's not going to happen. Even if SCH having more powerful regen than White Mage doesn't sit badly with people (which is incomprehensible to me, but it seems to be popular opinion so there must be some merit to that point of view), the loss of potential is an indisputible downside.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I can appreciate that SE were trying to sort out SCH's percieved lack of healing ability. There was something wrong with how the job was working, and I won't deny that. I just wish that there was something more creative than just lifting a set of spells directly from other jobs, slapping it onto SCH and calling it fixed. It's not fixed. SCH is a peg without a hole to fit in, partywise, as things stand. SE would do far better making support casters more valuable in parties - but that would require some thought and work, whereas repackaging regen did not.

I won't deny that some of my bitterness comes from this being the latest event in a massive string of SCH-related insanity that has affected me, directly or indirectly, as a White Mage. But in this case (in stark contrast with my spite-motivated refusal to sub SCH :P) I think there's definitely reason to be annoyed. Yes, regen is not every effective at the moment. The issue lies in the fact that there's now never going to be a universal fix because SCH has claimed regen as its own. I was really hoping for something nice to be done with regen, and now that's not going to happen. That's the real tragedy of this whole thing, in my opinion.

Short story short - Regen isn't that versatile or efficient at the moment. Before SCH laid claim to it, there was potential to have it become a powerful tool again (should SE decide to apply a pinch of creativity). Now, it's not going to happen. Even if SCH having more powerful regen than White Mage doesn't sit badly with people (which is incomprehensible to me, but it seems to be popular opinion so there must be some merit to that point of view), the loss of potential is an indisputible downside.

I was more annoyed WHM stole it from RDM, I could care less now SCH (rightfully) have taken it from WHM. That job does too much, it needs a slap.

Mitigate it via phalanx/stoneskin/some sort of pdt spell/scherzo(/migawari)?
A pdt spell would seem more like a RDM thing, and you can see how up in arms they are about SCH phalanx-ja being 'better' than the merited phalanx2. Either that or steal spells from other jobs.

It isn't anymore it's equal, though SE should raise Phalanx II above Phalanx. (I don't class Accession > Phalanx as better just more convenient)