MOGVAULT

[Michae]

We have 480 slots available as it is...

You dont need to have gear for every single jobs. Find a handful you enjoy and are good at and gear them well. I have 5 jobs that I run almost exclusively (which include smn and brd and all the instruments and staffs that entails) and 1 that I am currently lvling. Even with storing all the nyzul weapons, orbs, seals, crafting items, crystals, keys, misc gear, incompleted magian gear, oils/pots/food, reward items (eg Glory Crown), misc drops (eg Unlit Lantern, CRA Racing Form, etc), ammo, and on and on I still have 70+ open spaces not including my regular items sack at any given time. Usually more.

Its just about space management and not over extending yourself.

[Vagrua]

We have 480 slots available as it is...

You dont need to have gear for every single jobs. Find a handful you enjoy and are good at and gear them well. I have 5 jobs that I run almost exclusively (which include smn and brd and all the instruments and staffs that entails) and 1 that I am currently lvling. Even with storing all the nyzul weapons, orbs, seals, crafting items, crystals, keys, misc gear, incompleted magian gear, oils/pots/food, reward items (eg Glory Crown), misc drops (eg Unlit Lantern, CRA Racing Form, etc), ammo, and on and on I still have 70+ open spaces not including my regular items sack at any given time. Usually more.

Its just about space management and not over extending yourself.

Muhahahaha, imagine having 14+ jobs with gear sets just in case you ever need to be on that job. I am lucky to have 5+ inventory space open.

It's not the matter of me never actually being on the job, it's me having it ready if it's ever actually needed for something in the future.

For someone with only 3-6 jobs leveled, I can see that 480 being overkill, but others with many to all jobs leveled probably struggle if they are aiming for perfection unless they have mules.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Muhahahaha, imagine having 14+ jobs with gear sets just in case you ever need to be on that job. I am lucky to have 5+ inventory space open.

It's not the matter of me never actually being on the job, it's me having it ready if it's ever actually needed for something in the future.

For someone with only 3-6 jobs leveled, I can see that 480 being overkill, but others with many to all jobs leveled probably struggle if they are aiming for perfection unless they have mules.

I have 18 lvled and gear already for the other 2 and still have tons of space left over. Claim slips are your best friend.

[Concerned4FFxi]

We have 480 slots available as it is...

You dont need to have gear for every single jobs. Find a handful you enjoy and are good at and gear them well. I have 5 jobs that I run almost exclusively (which include smn and brd and all the instruments and staffs that entails) and 1 that I am currently lvling. Even with storing all the nyzul weapons, orbs, seals, crafting items, crystals, keys, misc gear, incompleted magian gear, oils/pots/food, reward items (eg Glory Crown), misc drops (eg Unlit Lantern, CRA Racing Form, etc), ammo, and on and on I still have 70+ open spaces not including my regular items sack at any given time. Usually more.

Its just about space management and not over extending yourself.

I have 20 jobs, they all need gear. I like the game, so I play them all and gear them all. I also have a ton of furniture, I like decorating my moghouse, I like gardening occasionally, even though in the 4 yeras I've played only one person has been in my moghouse, I still like to keep it looking fantastic.

When gearing 20 jobs, I have to make sacrifices, such as getting a universal gear thats a stat or two less then a job specific gear. this I dont mind, but my whm set alone is about 60 spaces of inventory. I know guys that carry over 80 items for one job alone, so saying stick to just a few jobs isnt cutting the mustard arguement wise. Especially since abyssea, things have changed, lots of people have 8-10 jobs leveled and geared now these days, I'd say 6 main jobs geared well is very common. And lets face it, a well geared job takes up 50-60+ or more spaces of inventory alone.

PS: real quick, consider this, before the trial of the magians, I carried 8 hq staves on blm alone, now, I carry more because you have you 30% macc hq staves and your mab affinity ones. Now, like I said I cut some corners because I have 20 jobs so I only have the 4 magian staves, and carrry on blm/rdm/sch another 6hq for various reasons. Just right there is 10 slots, and we haven't even geared ourselves yet. Most sch have all the elemental obi. My goodness, what if one of the 4-6 jobs you suggest I focus on is sch??? If I only had a few jobs as suggested, I would still need more space because I'd focus more on a few jobs and they would have more gear fot that job, not less gear over all.

Another prime example, right now, I currently always have in my mog sachel these items that most every serious player should have, it's not about inventory management, please, it's about loving the game and playing the game at your best:

echo drops
holy water
remedy
poison potion
instant warp scroll
instant reraise scroll
meat mithkabob
tavnazian taco
bream sushi
toolbag (shihel)
cream puff
marinara pizza
red curry bun
reraise earring
warp cudgel

Thats just the food/medicine I carry. One cant say being prepared is a bad idea, any vet would have to agree carrying this is the minimum. i carry the instant scrolls so I dont need to waste gil on the cudgel and the earring, but i carry the earring and the cudgel for when time is not on my side to replace the rare/ex items and I gotta be somewhere fast or forget to replace those items. Cheap foods and expensive foods, different medicines for various effects. I might join a shout that is leaving immediately, if i forget to bring items I'm screwed and so are the people depending on me. Reguardless if these items are in my moghouse or on my person I still need to have them somewhere. That's just a small list, my storage is completely filled with +1/2 and empyrean weapon item upgrades. last year, I had both my locker and my storage full with +1/2, since then, a year has passed and I've been able to convert most of these items into storable armor.

I do understand where you are coming from, I've had to rethink alot of gear that I held onto but really never used and have since tossed or sold them.

Also, what about if I want to level crafting while im camping a nm? Crafting alone requires enormous inventory space if your trying to stay in one place thats away for a major city for awhile.

How about procing on any /nin job in abyssea for magic proc? That's another 7 inventory spaces there, because the tools used cost 10-20k a stack, so after I purchase a stack of tools and only use 5-10 per run, if that, I'm left with something I cant sell back on the AH now, nor would it be effective to toss becasue of the cost and I'll just need them again eventually so I'll need to store those, too.

If my only two jobs where sch and thf/nin, from just the common items I mentioned above, without gearing them at all, that's 7 stacks of seperate tools to proc magic weakness, 6 elemental obi (I only have thunder I havent finished the others so I dont know off hand if there's a light and dark one but if there is I wont be doing them anyway so), 6 hq staves, 4 magain tiral staves, 15 misc items previuosly mentioned, for a grand total of 38 items. That's not the job specific or even making a mention of gear for those jobs, no furntiure, nothing but the staves for the sch and his/her obi, and dispossible items. I'd say that's alot of needed space being occupied and we havent even begun to talk about putting on gear, furniture, anything indepth.

Also, I carry all eight geode and 8 avatar named mineralites (such as titanite) and each of the four seals (beastman, kindred, etc). Why? Because if you want to collect them, you need space to stack them. After all, they are worth gil or crafting skill-ups, stack to 99, can be used in trials or for bcnms. That's another 20 spaces needed, and we still aren't talking furniture, gear, etc. Total space used so far, 58.

[Concerned4FFxi]

I echo drops
holy water
remedy
poison potion
instant warp scroll
instant reraise scroll
meat mithkabob
tavnazian taco
bream sushi
toolbag (shihel)
cream puff
marinara pizza
red curry bun
reraise earring
warp cudgel

How about procing on any /nin job in abyssea for magic proc? That's another 7 inventory spaces there, because the tools used cost 10-20k a stack, so after I purchase a stack of tools and only use 5-10 per run, if that, I'm left with something I cant sell back on the AH now, nor would it be effective to toss becasue of the cost and I'll just need them again eventually so I'll need to store those, too.

If my only two jobs where sch and thf/nin, from just the common items I mentioned above, without gearing them at all, that's 7 stacks of seperate tools to proc magic weakness, 6 elemental obi (I only have thunder I havent finished the others so I dont know off hand if there's a light and dark one but if there is I wont be doing them anyway so), 6 hq staves, 4 magain tiral staves, 15 misc items previuosly mentioned, for a grand total of 38 items. That's not the job specific or even making a mention of gear for those jobs, no furntiure, nothing but the staves for the sch and his/her obi, and dispossible items. I'd say that's alot of needed space being occupied and we havent even begun to talk about putting on gear, furniture, anything indepth.

Also, I carry all eight geode and 8 avatar named mineralites (such as titanite) and each of the four seals (beastman, kindred, etc). Why? Because if you want to collect them, you need space to stack them. After all, they are worth gil or crafting skill-ups, stack to 99, can be used in trials or for bcnms. That's another 20 spaces needed, and we still aren't talking furniture, gear, etc. Total space used so far, 58.

Edit: Seems I missed a few items becuase they were at the bottom and not the top, and I forgot to add them to the list, here they are:

emperor band: after getting all jobs to 30+ I had tossed this in the end of 2010, however, (all my jons are 90+ excepot for like 2 which are 66 and 78 respectively) with the recent requirement of af2+2 augments, requiring that xp be gained in dynamis, I found this item back in my mogsachel.

amarylilis: a flower used to trade to the mandy npc to warp to various locations.

Signal pearl
tactics pearl
magian specc
nexus cape

that's six more itmes that every player probably has, total of 64 now

[Vagrua]

Edit: Seems I missed a few items becuase they were at the bottom and not the top, and I forgot to add them to the list, here they are:

emperor band: after getting all jobs to 30+ I had tossed this in the end of 2010, however, (all my jons are 90+ excepot for like 2 which are 66 and 78 respectively) with the recent requirement of af2+2 augments, requiring that xp be gained in dynamis, I found this item back in my mogsachel.

amarylilis: a flower used to trade to the mandy npc to warp to various locations.

Signal pearl
tactics pearl
magian specc
nexus cape

that's six more itmes that every player probably has onj them, total of 64 now

Just adding to the list:

Duchy Earring
Kingdom Earring
Federation Earring
Republic Earring
Nashmau Earring
Selbina Earring
Kazham Earring
Safehold Earring
Rabao Earring
Empire Earring
Mhaura Earring
Norg Earring

[Concerned4FFxi]

Just adding to the list:

Duchy Earring
Kingdom Earring
Federation Earring
Republic Earring
Nashmau Earring
Selbina Earring
Kazham Earring
Safehold Earring
Rabao Earring
Empire Earring
Mhaura Earring
Norg Earring

Exactly, lets not forget our tavnazian ring, also. Agian, the point here is this isn't so much as job specific gear, this is just disposable items needed to perform everyday tasks, as well as rare/ex gear that is needed and most players have.

As for the rings, I used to have tele-dem/mea/holla rings, but like I said I cut corners because I have 20 jobs so I got rid of them. My mule has a kingdom staff for signet, if I didnt carry it there I'd carry one on my main.

the signet staff, the ring i mentioned, and the twelve earrings posted above, that total comes to 78. Still, not even going into job specific gear, except the obi and staff but like I said, lets assume you play thf/nin and sch.

What if you do dynamis? Now you need at least three slots to collect ancient currency. total, 81; 84 if you add the three 100 notes. Add beastcoins, and imperial currencey, we have 8 more, for a total of 92 items.

Add the 13 moogle porter slips, we now have a running total of 105 items needed just as a general principle.

Are we going to punish people for completing every add-on and scenerio add-on? ASA, ACP, AMK, WOTG (2-4 items, depending on how many nation paths you completed), TOAU, COP, ZM (DM), and apoc fight all give the player a rae/ex item that we should be allowed to keep and not just toss becuase of lack of space. Add these, and note I'll go easy for WOTG i'll assume you only did one nation path and not all three, so that will be only 2 items for my count purposes. Total to date, 114.

114 and still havent spoke about gearing a job yet, or furniture, or personal preferences. Mog slips are great, but 114 of these items do not fit on those slips, and are common items that are required to either be on your character or in your moghouse/locker, etc.

[Michae]

And lets face it, a well geared job takes up 50-60+ or more spaces of inventory alone.

Well if you enjoy all the jobs good for you but what your asking for, let me see you said at least 50 pieces of gear per job, is about 1k inventory spots just for gear, then you need all the other inventory space for synthing and misc items, so basically 2k inventory slots would be ideal. At 80 slots per storage piece (which is all se said they could do with they way the game is written) that would be 25 seperate storages listed in our menu.

If you make the choice to play every job or even 10-14 of em your gonna end up muling gear no matter how much space they give you thats reasonable. Thats why we have porter moogles and what not to help prevent this overbearing gear flood.

And I can understand were your coming from, with brd I have at least 10 instruments, multiple earrings, capes, rings, staffs, body, head, etc etc etc etc all macro'd in for different situations. Smn with staffs and macro in this and that. Bst with 10 jugs at any given time, pet food, macro in gear for ws and blah blah blah. Its not like I dont understand.

But really you are making the choice, you need to deal with what that choice brings. If you want to keep a nice home and have 20 well geared jobs, best of luck. Hope you have fun muling gear for 20 minutes cause you enjoy it. Poopooing se for not making your own choice of 20 jobs and full furniture sets isnt really the answer.

[Concerned4FFxi]

But really you are making the choice, you need to deal with what that choice brings. If you want to keep a nice home and have 20 well geared jobs, best of luck. Hope you have fun muling gear for 20 minutes cause you enjoy it. Poopooing se for not making your own choice of 20 jobs and full furniture sets isnt really the answer.

I stated for arguement's sake we are going to start with two jobs, thf/nin and sch. To date, I have posted 201 reasonable items that everyone could have, and all of these are general items needed, plus 60 spaces for furniture. None contained job specific gear, if I can easily come up with 201 items for all jobs, then how can you say I've made a choice when I've clearly shown that with just two jobs the current space required is not enough even with the porter service.

The number 201 did not include treasure hunter gear (3), ws sets, anything of job substance. Just misc. items that I think most endgamers have in there custody and should have a right to own. At 201, we are hitting the halfway mark, if I add brd to the list, and all it's intruments, we'd be closer. I use two items for my brd, because again, I cut corner. I dont mind cutting corners, what I do mind and I've said repeatedly if you read all posts is that even if I geared 4-6 jobs I'd have no room. On brd I use my empyrean harp (stage 1, and pan's horn until I finish the harp,

[Concerned4FFxi]

We have 480 slots available as it is...

Even with storing all the nyzul weapons, orbs, seals, crafting items, crystals, keys, misc gear, incompleted magian gear, oils/pots/food, reward items (eg Glory Crown), misc drops (eg Unlit Lantern, CRA Racing Form, etc), ammo, and on and on I still have 70+ open spaces not including my regular items sack at any given time. Usually more.

Its just about space management and not over extending yourself.

Ok, I droped my lantern to make space, your hoarding more than i, and you have a right to collect what you think is worthy of collecting, so do I. Let's look at some of your list, crystals you say? Ok, pervious toital 114, add 8 crystal types (currently my mule lots these but we are going with the everyone can't dual box theory) and 8 cluster types, thats 16+114=130. The lantern and keys I will not include, I toss them because I farm what I need when I need it, 20 jobs, no space, blah blah blah.

You see, I am being more conservative than you would think, and I still have no room. I really have that much gear for my jobs. And not 20 neck peices to do the same thing either, I currently am down to just two necks for mage jobs! Like I said, a good mage would have more, I'm good but I have to cut corners and I'm fine with that. I have a mab neck and the mnd/macc neck for mage jobs. I would love to have an int neck for int enfeebles but its too much space.

Glory crown, racing form, and chocobo whistle, thats added to my tally now current at 133.

Back to neck peices though, I have chivalrous chain (will replace when I get the new store tp one, but might have to keep this for acc and str on multi-hit blu spells), piper's torque (I had to chose to not get another chr one for bst and just get one for my brd), bfn. collar +1, colossus's torque, arctier's torque, artemis medal, saevus pendant, twilight torque, ancient torque, agasaya's collar, totero torque, noetic torque and the many others that I store with the porter mog.

You wanna talk about belts or back peices or rings, lol? keep in mind, I COULD USE MORE, but I cut corners I said becasue I need the space. I posted because even by cutting corners I'm out of space. For example, I only use warwolf belt, and sveltesse gourlz, cognition belt, and pythia sash +1 for my blu magic spells in the waist slot. I use these belts for other things, like SA on thf, whm curing, thf/nin eva set, and int enfeebling set to name a few other uses for these items on other jobs. If I only geared blu, I would have many many other belts, specifically designed for individual stats and not lower multiple stats like warwolf. For me it's not a gil issue, when I get peices of gear I look at how many jobs can I use this on? Some things, like my bst pdt axs, empyrean weapons, etc, are just fpr one job, but I try and gear multiple jobs with similiar gear.

Lets talk twilight gear, and add that to the list (I didnt add any of the necks I just listed above, ecept chochobo whistle which I counted when I added it): Twilight gear is 8 more items added to the list, total now stands at 141. No belts, no earring, no necks that can't be stored, no rstat ings.

141 and going. 141 and this is just bussiness as usual, something most endgamer's have if they play two jobs, sch and thf/nin, the list doesnt count gear that anyone playing those jobs wouldn't have. If I wanted to, I could add the three treasure hunter items currently existing for thf, or the countless necks I mentioned, 15 or so rings I carry, 10 or so back peices I have. I want you to know that I don't have multiple gear that does the same thing, that I really thought out what gear I need based on inventory and it's ability to use on many jobs. I considered selling my oneiros sash to buy a witch's sash so I could have a belt that I can nuke and enfeeble and I would cure in too, just to free up the other belts I was using, until I seen that sch can't wear it for enfeebling.

141 to date, lets decorate our moghouse, ill say for arguement sake we store our 13 porter slips there, our imperial currencey so we can access our locker, and 60 items of furniture. 60 furniture + 4 currency + 13 porter slips = 77/80 space available in our mogsafe. 60 furniture items plus 141 general items is 201. haven't divided into the body gear, the neck gear, backs, rings, earrings, we just covered the basics and we have 201/480