thoughts?

[Doombringer]

so.. i've been tossing this one around for a while in my head and i just can't get off the fence. lemme set this up.

my current tp build is at 23% haste, and 17 hits to 100% tp.

now, i know most people are writing off the new hasty pinion, and i did to at first. 1% haste at the expense of adding 1 hit to my build seemed like a step in the wrong direction.

then i remembered eurus' ledelsens.. wich i wrote off a while back for pretty much the same reason. 1% haste (compared to the boots i'm wearing now) but -3 stp.. so they also add that 18th hit to my build.

but here's where it gets a little less cut and dry.. both pieces together.. still land me at 18 hits to 100% tp. so instead of 1% haste for 1 hit, TOGETHER they give 2% haste for that one hit..

now i know i also lose a bit of att from my dusk+1 boots, and until i get other ammos i'm losing 3 dex there.. but i also know that the 25th point of haste is quite a bit more valuable than the 1st point.. could it be to the point where it's worth that 18th swing?

i've played around with these 2 a bit, but i'm on xbox, i can't really examine anything any better than eyeballing it.. so i can't see much difference either way.. just figured i'd toss this out there, maybe this was overlooked? maybe it was overlooked for a reason.. maybe this has already been under the microscope and i just missed it... but yah.. figured it was worth mentioning..

so yah... thoughts?

[Raksha]

that 18th hit is costing you about ~5 or 6% ws frequency

going from 62% of your base delay to 60% is only an increase of 3.3333~% (this is including casting haste on yourself)

in short: don't do it.

(p.s. it's too late to be doing math so check my numbers)

[Greatguardian]

Post complete TP/WS sets for a more accurate answer. I'll run some numbers based on what I think you're probably using in the meantime.

Edit: Initial calculations have the 25% Haste set coming out ahead of the 23% Haste set despite the STP- with only Haste Spell on. The gap widens when you include Enspell damage and any additional Haste you might get.

This is true for both in and outside of Abyssea, though tbh the difference is fairly minimal/insignificant if your Enspells are being resisted and you're not getting additional Haste.

[Doombringer]

tp set: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/219339

ws set: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/219336

shikargar is fire path, 11 str 22 att.

and i'm totally gonna change that ws head eventually >.> prolly brego helm once the price drops or i give up on waiting for the price to drop. i also own lithe boots so swapping them in over ragers is a simple copy/paste of a macro line if that'd be the way to go.

edit: also... i think i might ws in my suppa now... not online and i built these sets a long time ago, edited in the shikargars just now. but again, simple macro cut/paste so assume whichever one is better i guess?

[Greatguardian]

The difference is like 0.4% in favor of the Hasty/Eurus' combo without any enspells or outside Haste.

Toss in average Enspell damage of 35 and the difference becomes about 1%. Toss in Marches, Samba, or anything that grants more Haste and it becomes more tangible.

So, to answer your question, more Haste wins.

[Doombringer]

so how do you figure this out anyway? ffxi calculator is not nearly this detailed.

[Greatguardian]

so how do you figure this out anyway? ffxi calculator is not nearly this detailed.

I'm using an adapted version of Motenten's PLD spreadsheet that I tweaked to work decently well for Rdm melee. The jobs are similar enough in offensive capability that it didn't take too much tweaking. Anything that the spreadsheet doesn't calculate on its own, I add in (like the transition from Enlight to standard Enspell damage, etc).

Edit: Credit goes to Kinematics/Motenten, etc

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0A...ut=list&num=50

[Neisan_Quetz]

Bah, I tried messing around with the enlight tab before but never got it down right, what exactly did you change? Or is it too much to post?

It would probably help if I remembered to check the sheet before I'm half asleep as well ><

[Greatguardian]

Bah, I tried messing around with the enlight tab before but never got it down right, what exactly did you change? Or is it too much to post?

It would probably help if I remembered to check the sheet before I'm half asleep as well ><

I just did enspells manually. Take the average rounds/100 and add enspell damage/hit into it. You can also jury rig it by just adjusting Enlight's upper and lower bounds for recast in order to get the average per-hit damage that you want since Enlight's so predictable. If the base is 50 and you recast whenever it drops to 20/hit, then the average Enlight damage will be 35. These numbers will end up slightly lower than normal though since it will be assuming that you recast Enspells more often than a Rdm would have to.

ah.. i see.. did some googling, don't have excel. sad times. thank you though.

Google OpenOffice. It's a java-based freeware Office clone that can open and write office files. It doesn't have some of the more crazy advanced features that Office has, but who needs that crap to write Word documents and make spreadsheets/powerpoints anyways? It's pretty handy.

[Doombringer]

Google OpenOffice. It's a java-based freeware Office clone that can open and write office files. It doesn't have some of the more crazy advanced features that Office has, but who needs that crap to write Word documents and make spreadsheets/powerpoints anyways? It's pretty handy.

interesting, thankyou. but i see what you mean about needing to modify it, it's missing a lot of gear i wanted to punch in, and i've got these "protected" things all over so i can't just punch in the stats for gear i wanna use.. for example.. rancor collar? i see a c-ratio column there (which i'm assuming is crit hit rate) but it won't let me just throw a 5 in it? still.. very interesting.