The OFFICIAL "I intend on Quitting, and here is why" Thread

[Unleashhell]

I'm fine with a wall of text when its relevant to the topic instead of being used to derail a thread. What I didn't want was a wall of text on my own first post. I made my own contribution on how I felt and moved on. I only stepped in with some additional comments when people decided the best way to contribute was attempt a personal attack at me (ie - like you did) for some reason.

Nice redemption.

Well I apologize for whats its worth.

[SNK]

You worry about how other people gear up their chars? Who gives a crap, gear your own to the MAX and mind your business? As long as they don't tell you you're gear choices are wrong and them wearing a pink fluffy party hat has no impact on you wtf does it actually have to do with you. Stop trying to live in the past, almost everyone else moved past that way of thinking.

Wow did I ever hit a nerve. If you're gonna to be a miss happy pants I might as well indulge this amazing rage of a post. Mind you it didn't take much digging but it was in reply to this post Concerned made.

Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi
About two months ago, I leveled ninja and when I went to get the weapon skill quest from the NPC i was given the first of many af1 quests for that job and NPC. Now for ninja, absolutely none of the af1 is needed in today's 90+ so I'm pretty miffed about having to do them all just to flag the weapon skill quest, just to process weakness in Abyssea (and also for my own satisfaction of knowing I have all quested weapon skills). Yea the body af1 is ok, but theres much better options available to me (like the af3+2 body for starters). Now this is not like the af1 thf boots or anything remotely close.

Now I certainly wasn't the only one who caught the bolded part but NIN AF3 Body is 100% in no way better then the original AF Body for NIN in a tp/haste build peroid.

I commented on this very calmly thus with this..

Originally Posted by SNK A little offtopic here but I'm going to seriously have to disagree with some of this. 1st off the original AF1 body is still the best TP body piece for NIN hands down. A full 5% reduced on both of your weapons is something the AF3 Body isn't going to give you. The AF3 Body is a pretty solid WS piece but using it for a TP piece it painfully silly.

To which I was givin a reply like this....

All af1 body does is let you hit a little faster, but with af3+2 4/5 and ocelot's, you notice the extra hits from the set bonus and the af3+2 body is far superior on damage per hit. Add to the fact that af3+2 body augments migawari, which is far more important than a slight increase in your attack speed, and you can see how while af1+1 body is nice, its not my personal choice.

So yeah, you tp in your af1+1 and when you get hit with an AOE Damage+DOT attack from that HNM your tanking and your non-augmented migawari doesn't save you and you die, I'll have enough life left from migawari/af3+2 body augment to recast utsusemi and survive the DOT/or the stray hit after the AOE and before I can recast utsusemi, long enough for the Whm to cure me to full. Because remember, that -5% on your delay is more important than augmenting migawari, better damage per hit, +5 critical hit rate, and the peice going towards the set bonus from af3+2. That's silly, right?

Now of course someone beat me to the punch on this but I think this more then hammers down the confusion of stupid I was forced to read.

I do believe it has been tested and mathed out that tping in Ninja Chainmail is superior to the set effect from Iga +2, not that I can be bothered to try to dig up the posts about it right now. To get the full effect from AF3 +2, which is 10%, you need to wear the FULL set, meaning you aren't even capping haste AND you've lost the 5% reduction in delay from Ninja Chainmail.

If you don't make a migawari macro which includes equipping Iga Ningi +1 or +2, you're doing it wrong. Swap back to Ninja Chainmail once migawari wears.

Actually - please do tell me what kind of AOE spell/move can 1shot or nearly 1shot a nin without migawari, because I can only think of self destruct and I don't know a single hnm which does that... So I would really like to know which HNM you are talking about in the above quote. Migawari is in my opinion a great spell for moves you KNOW will otherwise 1shot you. Oh and btw, migawari without Iga Ningi +1 or +2 will still save you from being 1shot.

With Ninja Chainmail and capped haste, you reach 100tp faster than with 4/5 AF3 +2 and ocelot gloves. Which means you ws more often. Which means stuff dies faster.

And to round off: "the af3+2 body is far superior on damage per hit" - what exactly is that supposed to mean?? We are talking a piece of armour here, not a weapon.

Confused never once replied and thus led me to believe he/she was too.... stupid to think of an answer to this?

Go to BG and enjoy the confused player thread, should keep you there all day if that's so important to you.

If you're a player who advocates people playing their jobs retardedly then more power to you but, If you're going to sit there and act like you know what you're talking about when multiple people not only have said otherwise, posted math on it and shown proof then yeah, I'm not going to take too much at face value of a stubborn ass McGimp of a player.

I know you've probably got something for him/her but you really don't need to go into a white-knight rage fest over it. Oh and it seems you're under the delusion that everyone has "moved past" that way of thinking when you couldn't be further from the truth. It's ok if you feel otherwise but a lot of players still take this game seriously enough to gear their jobs right and are more then willing to listen to players who have a solid grasp of the game's engine then most people.

If you feel this is in the past then you're obviously not playing the same game a lot of people are.

[Runespider]

Wow did I ever hit a nerve. If you're gonna to be a miss happy pants I might as well indulge this amazing rage of a post. Mind you it didn't take much digging but it was in reply to this post Concerned made.

I just thought you were a complete idiot that you would have a dig at someone in the most inane, stupid way possible, having a dig on a forum about a players gear? That's akin to losing an argument and saying..."yea?... well you're a fatty!"

[SNK]

I just thought you were a complete idiot that you would have a dig at someone in the most inane, stupid way possible, having a dig on a forum about a players gear? That's akin to losing an argument and saying..."yea?... well you're a fatty!"

When a person tries to post an opinion and then acts like a concieted smartass then why wouldn't anyone call them on it?

Oh and for the record I wasn't commenting on the gear or lack of gear. I was commenting on the gear choices and the stupidity of choosing the wrong pieces of gear when there are better options open to you. There's a big difference between the two.

[Catsby]

This thread went from meaningful to completely asinine.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

asinine.

It's hard for them to be anything else.
Now if people are quitting because the game has changed, screw them. They can GTFO. If they're quitting in an attempt to protest, it's going to go unheard.

[Kimble]

I wonder why people get so personally offended when someone says why they want to quit. Like its somehow an attack at people that choose to keep playing.

Also, I know what a ranger is and what it does. In a lot of games ranger is a "hunter" so they have ranged attacks but also control beasts like a beastmaster. Also tend to be sneaky like a thief as well.

I've never seen a game where a ranger is like a bard, at all.

[Nynja]

Just because a piece of gear is higher level than another, doesnt necessarily make it better...

Artio's axe RareExclusive
(Axe) All Races
DMG: 64 Delay: 280 CHR+3 Enmity-5
Lv. 90 WAR / BST

Charmer's Merlin RareExclusive
(Axe) All Races
DMG: 68 Delay: 288 Accuracy +5
"Fencer" +1
"Sic" and "Ready" ability delay -5
Lv. 89 BST

(inb4 lv90 axe has -enmity and chr so its better for bst who charm stuff)

[saevel]

This thread went from meaningful to completely asinine.

Just wait, we'll get a RDM melee debate sooner or later. Rule 0 of FFXI being what it is.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Confused never once replied and thus led me to believe he/she was too.... stupid to think of an answer to this?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...601#post240601

i replied dozens more times then you give me credit for and you act like i didnt. You that trolled the tread to begin with, the tread HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GEAR, it was about flagging a wsnm quest, the fact that i mentioned gear in one part of an explanation and your trolled it to death there, trolling here, and your not even did you go back and read the posts before you came here to post, yet you got nerve to call me stupid and act like i avoided you, lol. Enough with the stalking, are you gonna show up behind the aisle at walmart now when I go shopping?

AF1+1 body
+5 Dex, -5% DW

AF3+2 body
+12Str/Dex, Acc +17, Attack +17, Crit hit rate +5% (set bonus occ extra attack)

I agree, AF1+1 you will tp faster, do WS slightly faster, that is a given. What I said in my previous post is I like af3+2 better, it hits harder and with the set bonus I feel it’s better because it can tp almost as fast, but with the added bonuses that it offers I feel it wins out over af1 body. You can’t say that an extra 7Dex and 5% crit hit, 17 acc and 17 Attack doesn’t increase your damage per hit over af1Also, despite the math which was done for tp purpose, where’s the math that covers crit hit rate comparison and over all damage vs. the two sets. Af3+2 does more damage per hit, over time that slight tp bonus advantage you get from swinging a little faster on af1 isn’t the same. I’m hitting harder every swing, I’m criting more often, and if I’m tanking I have augmented Migawari, which let’s face it that is needed more than non augmented version. Again, your twisting my post when it’s clearly stated a non-augmented Migawari isn’t going to save you from dot, or anything that stripped your shadows and hits you while your recasting shadows. An augmented Migawari has a much better survival rate.


Conclusion: From what I stated about having more Crit hits, and not fighting trash mobs, where the acc is needed such as HNM in the future, outside abyssea where stats on gear matters and acc isn‘t capped, some VW NM even, I prefer Af3+2 for tp body. I agree AF1 may get you to 100tp faster if your fighting low acc mobs, or in abyssea where stats on gear doesn’t mean as much, but I like the bonus of the af3 set and the stats on the af3+2 body better. If, I’m using af1+1 body, and I miss 1-2 hits on a HNM, then it is inferior in tp gain to af3+2 body, as well as the stat difference I already discussed.

So think about, AF3+2 hits harder, and on higher eva mobs, hits and crits more often, and does more damage per hit due to critting more often, the +12str and the superior +7dex compared to its af1 counter part, what’s not to like. I think both sets have their uses, I prefer AF3+2 body, the argument for nin af1 body to me isn’t strong enough for me to carry it.

Maybe I’ll change my mind someday, the same time you acknowledge some of my points perhaps. If af1+2 body has -10% DW, then I will reconsider, as it stands now it’s not on my list because -5%DW in the body slot, for already low delay weapons, with an already high dw trait from the job, and already using suppa earring, isn’t enough for me to trade up from my af3+2 body with it‘s superior stats in that slot.

However, this was a bug thread that got turned into an AF body debate. Please note your attitude towards me here previously, and in the future try not to be so critical (pun intended, get it, af3+2, has higher crit hit rate, lol) when commenting, thank you.

Now, im not going to go back and repost all the quotes that I orginally quoted and answerted, therefor this post above might not make the best of what im trying to say to u, but thats wht i enclosed the threadlink for. Also, this post didnt have your name on it in the orgianl thread, but from what you posted here, I dont see any specific wuestions that you asked that I didnt answer.

The whole point I was making which went over your head was,
1. I already had the af3+2 body before i started leveling nin
2. I didnt want to do the af1 body quest at that time,and was being forced to do some af to flag the wsnm becuase of a glitch, that's why i posted in the bugs section
3. I didnt have a problem doing af I just had a problem being forced to do it then
4. Af3 is better outside of abyssea for the body slot on everything that is not junk mobs and for the future, because (af2+2 wasnt released yet) higher acc, more damage per hit, more crit per hit, better for the body slot. I disagreed with getting af1 to have a little bit more dw when I already had the af3, and 19 other jobs I have to gear so unless af1, as I said, was more impressive then I wasnt gonna invest my time.


Even if af1 is better outside abyssea, and I doubt it is because of not having the acc or crit hit rate for v.t. mobs or new hnm, the benefit of it wouldn't be much greater than af3, and therefore it is not on my list. You miss one swing in your af1 and you might as well be wearing my af3, get it?

ALL this is moot now cause af2+2 body seems to have the best tp gear stats, for the body slot, it boasts high acc for non-trash future hnm, and 20 attack for that hard hitting umph, plus dw. So you see, I WAS RIGHT NOT TO GET THE AF1, because af2+2 is the new hotness and I didnt waste anytime in getting something that's not, so ha. If af1+2 turns out to be vastly superior to af2+2, then yes, i'll go get it. But the difference between tping in af1 and af3 didnt seem impressive enough to warrant getting it.

now pleasae, leave me be in peace and let it go.