The OFFICIAL "I intend on Quitting, and here is why" Thread

[Originalkord]

Just curious, whats a rocket surgeon?

You seem to meet the criteria...

Anyway, the player base isn't going anywhere. For every 10 people that quit 8 people come back. So even if the numbers dwindle down over time its no big deal. THE GAME IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON. It will be here tomorrow, the next day, the day after, week after, month after, year after.

You do realize that this thread is not a thread about the game shutting down don't you, professor? If you take the time and read my ENTIRE original post, and the 13 pages that follow, you should get an understanding of the thread's purpose.

Oh, I also want to point out if 10 people leave, and only 8 come back, you're still losing people, and the thread keeps it's relevance. Lurn2math.

[Unleashhell]

You seem to meet the criteria...



You do realize that this thread is not a thread about the game shutting down don't you, professor? If you take the time and read my ENTIRE original post, and the 13 pages that follow, you should get an understanding of the thread's purpose.

Oh, I also want to point out if 10 people leave, and only 8 come back, you're still losing people, and the thread keeps it's relevance. Lurn2math.

Criteria eh? I still do not see an answer the question professor.

Also the following line to your example that you took out of my post, I never said the player base wasn't loosing people. Lurn2read the next line of that paragraph and you will see what I said. I said "So even if the numbers dwindle down over time its no big deal."


How about just quit and save everyone the trouble of your crying bitching and complaining so the rest of the player base can actually get on these forums and stop seeing all the "I'm quitting and here's why" threads. For the small amount of people that actually use this forum compared to the total number of subscribers I'm sure its a minimal percentage. Your not going to make SE change anything with constant bashing of the dev team. Blame whoever you guys want to blame so you all can sleep better at night. It still will not change the fact that SE is in control of the game. They will move the game in THEIR direction not yours. You pay to play their game. It is not our game. They own the rights to the game, the servers we play on, and ALL the content on those servers. you basically rent a virtual world when you pay every month.

When this forum was first introduced there were TONS of people that posted lots of ideas. Some of those ideas were actually put into play. Others were straight up stupid. Instead of all these "I'm quitting" threads and "The dev team doesn't know what they are doing" threads, how about making a "Whats good about FFXI" thread and get people to actually give positive feedback, instead of all this bashing of the dev team. You guys make all these posts about let the replies be constructive, but sit there and bash the dev team? Bashing is constructive? How?

There is more then one way to inform the dev team about disagreeing with decisions they make. Bashing isn't the answer. Instead of just rage posting on here you guys should learn to sit back and take a couple days and make a logical post with good statements on how to improve the game. But no everyone wants to just say the devs don't listen to us. Well guess what, its up to the forum team to feed over the information they seem fit to send over. Try making a non-rage post with good solid facts and positive ideas with non bashing of the dev team and maybe you will have a better chance of getting feedback.

[FrankReynolds]

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I'm not sure if it was the OP's intention, but a thread demonstrating to SE the reasons behind people leaving the game could be beneficial if they actually read it. They don't currently ask why people leave, or even notice for all I know. I think most people don't cancel. They just stop paying, so a thread like this albeit a little grim, and completely unasked for does actually provide some useful info.

[Originalkord]

I'm not sure if it was the OP's intention, but a thread demonstrating to SE the reasons behind people leaving the game could be beneficial if they actually read it. They don't currently ask why people leave, or even notice for all I know. I think most people don't cancel. They just stop paying, so a thread like this albeit a little grim, and completely unasked for does actually provide some useful info.

That was exactly the intention, Frank.

blah blah blah diarreah of the mouth.

I like how Unleash says this isn't our game...Yea the hell right. We may not make the game, but we keep it alive by PLAYING it. They made it FOR US TO PLAY, so in turn we WOULD play and THEY would make...MONEEEYY!!! Once the costs for SE start to outweigh the revenue, then you tell me who's game it is.

How much of a fool are you to think a business should not take in to consideration the opinions of thier customers. I hope you work for someone for a living because you will never be able to survive running your own business. "I know I messed a lot of shit up and you're unhappy, Mr. Customer, but I demand you tell me what you like about my service." You'd get punched in the mouth. Unhappy customers don't normally solicit an opinion that paints a rosey picture.

Furthermore, people DO make some very constructive posts here, but it seems you just perceive this as "bashing the development team." Wrong. (SIDEBAR: I also think it was hilarious that we can 'bash the devs' but you can blatantly bash the disgruntled player base lulz). The amount of threads that say "ZOMG TANAKA AND THE DEV TEAM SUX WTF" are minimal at best. I see a ton of "I don't like that you did *this* and here is why." That's the ENTIRE point of the thread. People have been asking for change for a very long time. When these boards were first introduced, player feedback was valued and acted upon. Doesn't seem that way anymore--something has changed (I wonder what THAT could be...). Now change is not happening, now people are leaving.

So therefore, if they intend on quitting, think of this as an exit interview. Believe it or not, its a common business practice to ASK your customers, or for employers to ask quitting employees, why they are leaving. If the feedback is good, or indfferent like, "Oh I don't have time to play anymore," so be it. But if they're leaving as a result of being unhappy due to poor decisions, then they're going to have to hear that too.

[Runespider]

My only issue with you is your confusion about how to gear up your NIN. :|

You worry about how other people gear up their chars? Who gives a crap, gear your own to the MAX and mind your business? As long as they don't tell you you're gear choices are wrong and them wearing a pink fluffy party hat has no impact on you wtf does it actually have to do with you. Stop trying to live in the past, almost everyone else moved past that way of thinking.

Go to BG and enjoy the confused player thread, should keep you there all day if that's so important to you.

[SNK]

You worry about how other people gear up their chars? Who gives a crap, gear your own to the MAX and mind your business? As long as they don't tell you you're gear choices are wrong and them wearing a pink fluffy party hat has no impact on you wtf does it actually have to do with you. Stop trying to live in the past, almost everyone else moved past that way of thinking.

Wow did I ever hit a nerve. If you're gonna to be a miss happy pants I might as well indulge this amazing rage of a post. Mind you it didn't take much digging but it was in reply to this post Concerned made.

Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi
About two months ago, I leveled ninja and when I went to get the weapon skill quest from the NPC i was given the first of many af1 quests for that job and NPC. Now for ninja, absolutely none of the af1 is needed in today's 90+ so I'm pretty miffed about having to do them all just to flag the weapon skill quest, just to process weakness in Abyssea (and also for my own satisfaction of knowing I have all quested weapon skills). Yea the body af1 is ok, but theres much better options available to me (like the af3+2 body for starters). Now this is not like the af1 thf boots or anything remotely close.

Now I certainly wasn't the only one who caught the bolded part but NIN AF3 Body is 100% in no way better then the original AF Body for NIN in a tp/haste build peroid.

I commented on this very calmly thus with this..

Originally Posted by SNK A little offtopic here but I'm going to seriously have to disagree with some of this. 1st off the original AF1 body is still the best TP body piece for NIN hands down. A full 5% reduced on both of your weapons is something the AF3 Body isn't going to give you. The AF3 Body is a pretty solid WS piece but using it for a TP piece it painfully silly.

To which I was givin a reply like this....

All af1 body does is let you hit a little faster, but with af3+2 4/5 and ocelot's, you notice the extra hits from the set bonus and the af3+2 body is far superior on damage per hit. Add to the fact that af3+2 body augments migawari, which is far more important than a slight increase in your attack speed, and you can see how while af1+1 body is nice, its not my personal choice.

So yeah, you tp in your af1+1 and when you get hit with an AOE Damage+DOT attack from that HNM your tanking and your non-augmented migawari doesn't save you and you die, I'll have enough life left from migawari/af3+2 body augment to recast utsusemi and survive the DOT/or the stray hit after the AOE and before I can recast utsusemi, long enough for the Whm to cure me to full. Because remember, that -5% on your delay is more important than augmenting migawari, better damage per hit, +5 critical hit rate, and the peice going towards the set bonus from af3+2. That's silly, right?

Now of course someone beat me to the punch on this but I think this more then hammers down the confusion of stupid I was forced to read.

I do believe it has been tested and mathed out that tping in Ninja Chainmail is superior to the set effect from Iga +2, not that I can be bothered to try to dig up the posts about it right now. To get the full effect from AF3 +2, which is 10%, you need to wear the FULL set, meaning you aren't even capping haste AND you've lost the 5% reduction in delay from Ninja Chainmail.

If you don't make a migawari macro which includes equipping Iga Ningi +1 or +2, you're doing it wrong. Swap back to Ninja Chainmail once migawari wears.

Actually - please do tell me what kind of AOE spell/move can 1shot or nearly 1shot a nin without migawari, because I can only think of self destruct and I don't know a single hnm which does that... So I would really like to know which HNM you are talking about in the above quote. Migawari is in my opinion a great spell for moves you KNOW will otherwise 1shot you. Oh and btw, migawari without Iga Ningi +1 or +2 will still save you from being 1shot.

With Ninja Chainmail and capped haste, you reach 100tp faster than with 4/5 AF3 +2 and ocelot gloves. Which means you ws more often. Which means stuff dies faster.

And to round off: "the af3+2 body is far superior on damage per hit" - what exactly is that supposed to mean?? We are talking a piece of armour here, not a weapon.

Confused never once replied and thus led me to believe he/she was too.... stupid to think of an answer to this?

Go to BG and enjoy the confused player thread, should keep you there all day if that's so important to you.

If you're a player who advocates people playing their jobs retardedly then more power to you but, If you're going to sit there and act like you know what you're talking about when multiple people not only have said otherwise, posted math on it and shown proof then yeah, I'm not going to take too much at face value of a stubborn ass McGimp of a player.

I know you've probably got something for him/her but you really don't need to go into a white-knight rage fest over it. Oh and it seems you're under the delusion that everyone has "moved past" that way of thinking when you couldn't be further from the truth. It's ok if you feel otherwise but a lot of players still take this game seriously enough to gear their jobs right and are more then willing to listen to players who have a solid grasp of the game's engine then most people.

If you feel this is in the past then you're obviously not playing the same game a lot of people are.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Confused never once replied and thus led me to believe he/she was too.... stupid to think of an answer to this?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...601#post240601

i replied dozens more times then you give me credit for and you act like i didnt. You that trolled the tread to begin with, the tread HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GEAR, it was about flagging a wsnm quest, the fact that i mentioned gear in one part of an explanation and your trolled it to death there, trolling here, and your not even did you go back and read the posts before you came here to post, yet you got nerve to call me stupid and act like i avoided you, lol. Enough with the stalking, are you gonna show up behind the aisle at walmart now when I go shopping?

AF1+1 body
+5 Dex, -5% DW

AF3+2 body
+12Str/Dex, Acc +17, Attack +17, Crit hit rate +5% (set bonus occ extra attack)

I agree, AF1+1 you will tp faster, do WS slightly faster, that is a given. What I said in my previous post is I like af3+2 better, it hits harder and with the set bonus I feel it’s better because it can tp almost as fast, but with the added bonuses that it offers I feel it wins out over af1 body. You can’t say that an extra 7Dex and 5% crit hit, 17 acc and 17 Attack doesn’t increase your damage per hit over af1Also, despite the math which was done for tp purpose, where’s the math that covers crit hit rate comparison and over all damage vs. the two sets. Af3+2 does more damage per hit, over time that slight tp bonus advantage you get from swinging a little faster on af1 isn’t the same. I’m hitting harder every swing, I’m criting more often, and if I’m tanking I have augmented Migawari, which let’s face it that is needed more than non augmented version. Again, your twisting my post when it’s clearly stated a non-augmented Migawari isn’t going to save you from dot, or anything that stripped your shadows and hits you while your recasting shadows. An augmented Migawari has a much better survival rate.


Conclusion: From what I stated about having more Crit hits, and not fighting trash mobs, where the acc is needed such as HNM in the future, outside abyssea where stats on gear matters and acc isn‘t capped, some VW NM even, I prefer Af3+2 for tp body. I agree AF1 may get you to 100tp faster if your fighting low acc mobs, or in abyssea where stats on gear doesn’t mean as much, but I like the bonus of the af3 set and the stats on the af3+2 body better. If, I’m using af1+1 body, and I miss 1-2 hits on a HNM, then it is inferior in tp gain to af3+2 body, as well as the stat difference I already discussed.

So think about, AF3+2 hits harder, and on higher eva mobs, hits and crits more often, and does more damage per hit due to critting more often, the +12str and the superior +7dex compared to its af1 counter part, what’s not to like. I think both sets have their uses, I prefer AF3+2 body, the argument for nin af1 body to me isn’t strong enough for me to carry it.

Maybe I’ll change my mind someday, the same time you acknowledge some of my points perhaps. If af1+2 body has -10% DW, then I will reconsider, as it stands now it’s not on my list because -5%DW in the body slot, for already low delay weapons, with an already high dw trait from the job, and already using suppa earring, isn’t enough for me to trade up from my af3+2 body with it‘s superior stats in that slot.

However, this was a bug thread that got turned into an AF body debate. Please note your attitude towards me here previously, and in the future try not to be so critical (pun intended, get it, af3+2, has higher crit hit rate, lol) when commenting, thank you.

Now, im not going to go back and repost all the quotes that I orginally quoted and answerted, therefor this post above might not make the best of what im trying to say to u, but thats wht i enclosed the threadlink for. Also, this post didnt have your name on it in the orgianl thread, but from what you posted here, I dont see any specific wuestions that you asked that I didnt answer.

The whole point I was making which went over your head was,
1. I already had the af3+2 body before i started leveling nin
2. I didnt want to do the af1 body quest at that time,and was being forced to do some af to flag the wsnm becuase of a glitch, that's why i posted in the bugs section
3. I didnt have a problem doing af I just had a problem being forced to do it then
4. Af3 is better outside of abyssea for the body slot on everything that is not junk mobs and for the future, because (af2+2 wasnt released yet) higher acc, more damage per hit, more crit per hit, better for the body slot. I disagreed with getting af1 to have a little bit more dw when I already had the af3, and 19 other jobs I have to gear so unless af1, as I said, was more impressive then I wasnt gonna invest my time.


Even if af1 is better outside abyssea, and I doubt it is because of not having the acc or crit hit rate for v.t. mobs or new hnm, the benefit of it wouldn't be much greater than af3, and therefore it is not on my list. You miss one swing in your af1 and you might as well be wearing my af3, get it?

ALL this is moot now cause af2+2 body seems to have the best tp gear stats, for the body slot, it boasts high acc for non-trash future hnm, and 20 attack for that hard hitting umph, plus dw. So you see, I WAS RIGHT NOT TO GET THE AF1, because af2+2 is the new hotness and I didnt waste anytime in getting something that's not, so ha. If af1+2 turns out to be vastly superior to af2+2, then yes, i'll go get it. But the difference between tping in af1 and af3 didnt seem impressive enough to warrant getting it.

now pleasae, leave me be in peace and let it go.

[SNK]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...601#post240601

i replied dozens more times then you give me credit for and you act like i didnt. You that trolled the tread to begin with, the tread HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GEAR, it was about flagging a wsnm quest, the fact that i mentioned gear in one part of an explanation and your trolled it to death there, trolling here, and your not even did you go back and read the posts before you came here to post, yet you got nerve to call me stupid and act like i avoided you, lol. Enough with the stalking, are you gonna show up behind the aisle at walmart now when I go shopping?



Now, im not going to go back and repost all the quotes that I orginally quoted and answerted, therefor this post above might not make the best of what im trying to say to u, but thats wht i enclosed the threadlink for. Also, this post didnt have your name on it in the orgianl thread, but from what you posted here, I dont see any specific wuestions that you asked that I didnt answer.

The whole point I was making which went over your head was,
1. I already had the af3+2 body before i started leveling nin
2. I didnt want to do the af1 body quest at that time,and was being forced to do some af to flag the wsnm becuase of a glitch, that's why i posted in the bugs section
3. I didnt have a problem doing af I just had a problem being forced to do it then
4. Af3 is better outside of abyssea for the body slot on everything that is not junk mobs and for the future, because (af2+2 wasnt released yet) higher acc, more damage per hit, more crit per hit, better for the body slot. I disagreed with getting af1 to have a little bit more dw when I already had the af3, and 19 other jobs I have to gear so unless af1, as I said, was more impressive then I wasnt gonna invest my time.


Even if af1 is better outside abyssea, and I doubt it is because of not having the acc or crit hit rate for v.t. mobs or new hnm, the benefit of it wouldn't be much greater than af3, and therefore it is not on my list. You miss one swing in your af1 and you might as well be wearing my af3, get it?

ALL this is moot now cause af2+2 body seems to have the best tp gear stats, for the body slot, it boasts high acc for non-trash future hnm, and 20 attack for that hard hitting umph, plus dw. So you see, I WAS RIGHT NOT TO GET THE AF1, because af2+2 is the new hotness and I didnt waste anytime in getting something that's not, so ha. If af1+2 turns out to be vastly superior to af2+2, then yes, i'll go get it. But the difference between tping in af1 and af3 didnt seem impressive enough to warrant getting it.

now pleasae, leave me be in peace and let it go.

You are really ignorant about your job. There's so much wrong and misguided information in your post about NIN it's not even funny.

[Kitkat]

They should have just shut the forums down when they went on holiday...look at all the crap they have to come back to /facepalm

[Concerned4FFxi]

I agree the game is old and we cant expect too much for the future, but look at what they are doing when they do stuff. UI revamp, HQ font, this is all great but I just wish they made changes to the current game which are better and cost next to nothing to do, such as reducing the overall 99 super weapon requirements, admitting that 500+ of those was insane, making 99 empyreans worth something other than afterglow, the list goes on. Some decisions made were poor, they know vw has a bad drop system, I dont mind not getting the rare/ex, i just want something more than logs. They know people dont use WOE, they know the game got overwhelmed when abyssea destroyed all old xp camps, etc, etc, These are decisions that need to be corrected, and not programing upgrades so to speak. Let's start there first.

Everyone deserves a new add on with new areas and endgame to explore, especially to use the sgtuff we worked to 99 to get to use, I believe this will be realised post 2013, as a final add-on, but in the mean time they are making poor choices, in my opinion, by not correcting some major flaws and instead going onto the next revamp.

If I were in charge of 11, I'd work on correcting the unbalance abyssea brought to the rest of the game and revamp VW and WOE content before I continued to revamp old content, so players looking for endgame have something to do that IS endgame. Right now the only thing close to endgame content out is endgame is VW, and to me it doent really feel like endgame because it's just walk up and instance pop nm, so yea. 11 needs endgame, yesterday, not 2013.

My fear is they will release The Last Stand too early, just to get it out there like they did with 14 and the 99 cap (they didnt even release it with the new merits, they are releasing stuff as it's developed which has it's good and bad points) and it's noit going to be good enough in it's beta rushed form and more people will be unsatisfied and it will take a year if ever they do revamp that.

I believe they have decided that WOE and VW are fine, they dont need anymore attention, and they need to hit their earmark dates for the next revamp, instead of realising from all the feedback and the lack of people in WOE, that their revamp there didn't work and that they need to push their timeline back and revist WOE, and make changes to VW (proposed point system for hmp, and other lesser items like mirrors, not the rare/ex gear).