CDC build and BLU Melee Build and spell sets suggestions

[Nightfyre]

Do you speak English?

[Annahya]

ok so your spamming delta thrust in VW and you can swap ur set in time to not get hit? its just not realistic. are you spamming on seal mobs? i understand delta thrust is a good spell but i dont understand how people can act like they use it anywhere but xping and then say its worth wasting half your set points on fast cast. TA, DA, SCbonus, AtkBonus, AccBonus, +str/dex from spells... these all outweigh fast cast unless ur only blitzing and procing so delta is the only DD spell u set for more proc space.

Gearswaps are a touchy subject, what with Windower plugins like spellcast that allow people to gearswap multiple times during a given action (read: spell) to maximize the situational buffs of various peices of equipment. So, as much as it irritates me to say: you are unfortunately incorrect by calling it unrealistic (at least for PC players). I am trying very hard not to launch into a tirade about Windower plugins, so I am going to change subjects.

I am not sure what you meant by including the "where do you use Delta Thrust" and "setting Fast Cast" in the same assertion - as one is regarding use of a spell, and the other is about set-point economy, and both of these can easily coexist at 99. As such, I will address them separately.

Delta Thrust, aside from its amazing cost-to-damage ratio, also has a chance to stick the mob with a debuff. I don't know why one wouldn't use Delta Thrust on everything, including NMs, breakfast bagels, the dancefloor, and so on. As many individuals have pointed out in various threads here in the BLU forums, TP feed is not the real concern - TP feed considered against the efficacy of your action is what matters.

Setting Fast Cast (I or II) hardly takes half of our points; and depending on the situation could outweigh at least two, if not three, of the traits/benefits you listed above. I am not arguing that one should set Fast Cast as a BLU, merely that it can't be reasonably asserted as costing half of our points - unless the caveat is made that this assumes we have already spend the twenty points on DWIII and that you are specifically referring to the remaining balance (though, admittedly, nearly half would be more appropriate in this instance). I apologize for the semantic nitpicking, but hyperbole should be reserved for the part of the argument that makes the emotional point, not used in the part of the argument that actually discusses the details of your position, as it undermines credibility for humor that text prevents everyone from getting.

Bringing the two points together, as you did toward the end of your post: Even when proc'ing one can set quite a few damage spells unless one is lazily setting the procs for every element at once - and even then, Delta Thrust should be a main part of your casting cycle. This is not because it is all you have, it is because it is really good. If you meant setting Fast Cast II and a good selection of proc-spells when you made that point, I would counter that if you know that your main job in said party is Yellow !!, one could save those 15 set-points by subbing RDM and as such also provide the party with Dispel as a dark option. A low man group's BLM will likely be subbing BRD, and the tank will likely be able to provide the NIN spells - but perhaps this is my own limited experience.

I apologize, but for the above reasons, I have to disagree with much of your post.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Can I get some, any evidence Delta Thrust's plague actually sticks on relevant NMs?

[Nightfyre]

Up to 12% in rings, 5% back, 5% neck, 4% body/waist, 30% PDT and 22% MDT in a single macro. Yep, defensive swaps are for Windower users only.

I've never seen Delta Thrust's plague effect land on any NM of consequence. It's a very MP-efficient spell and also useful when farming fodder mobs (hello Dynamis), but sadly not useful on NMs.

[Prothscar]

Plague does not stick on NMs in any capacity from any source. In order for us to receive a full powered 10% Fast Cast trait, we have to spend 15 of our points, Blue Mage does not receive Fast Cast I and II, we receive Fast Cast .5 and Fast Cast I. While 15 isn't half of our available points, it is 25% of our total available set points being spent on one trait with two of the spells being largely useless in any situation, and the other two only being useful when you're solo or require the extra -40 ACC of Auroral Drape over a normal Blind spell, (30 v. Kurayami), to maintain a capped evade rate.

When I'm solo, Fast Cast is on by default, but not because I was setting it consciously. 5% Fast Cast simply is not worth the cost of 6~9 set points unless you're actually using the spells attached.

And not having a PDT or MDT gear swap is ridiculous. Both of these sets are crucial to survival in Voidwatch, the NMs hit far too hard to consider being close to otherwise.

[Defiledsickness]

i didnt say i dont use the necessary gear swapping. but if you're a blu procing in VW you have to stand in range of the mobs attacks for almost every proc spell. (blitzstrahl and regurg being the only ones i know of that are distant enough). now if you're also spamming delta thrust its going to be difficult to properly time everything and if you dont have the mobs attacks toward others filtered your log will be very very full of text. after you proc yellow on a seal nm then sure, spam away. but unless you've capped lights you shouldnt be trying to kill a VW mob anyways. i mean you can normally get what, 2 delta thrusts in per blitz during VW? thats if you're right on time after the recast and arent using your better dmg spells (which will be ready again for the next blitz and you should have decent refresh in VW).

so you can use delta all you want but plague wont land in VW and your pld's and whm will probably hate you. luckily reraise scrolls are easy to obtain in VW, but i think you'd get better drops if you were procing and let the other jobs DD.

[Neisan_Quetz]

you won't be spamming delta thrust if you need to proc, if you are you are doing it terribly wrong. What the hell is wrong with using filters...?

There is just so much else wrong with your scenarios I can't take it seriously.

[Prothscar]

If you aren't capable of dealing damage from the start and still have capped lights on a VWNM, particularly now that Extreme proc exists, idk what to tell you. There's no reason not to be killing the NM as fast as possible.

Fail tos ee how the plague is at all relevant in VW, Delta Thrust is simply an efficient expenditure of MP in between Chant du Cygnes. Also fail to see why your PLDs and WHMs will hate you, if you're implying that the TP gain will cause anyone to bat an eye then you're either horrendously uninformed about VWNMs or have horrible PLDs and/or WHMs that need to be replaced ASAP.

[Defiledsickness]

i dont think you're reading my posts correctly... i guess everyone is different and you can play how you want. the only thing i meant to add to this thread is commending the SC bonus Job trait (since the post was about cdc and SC bonus is one of the ways to increase its damage).

its hard to know how to respond at this point. you just said to not use delta if you're proc'ing... so you personally spam it before a blu proc is called then later when ur bored waiting or after lights are capped? seriously i've read about delta thrust a lot and i do agree its decent damage but for the situations that have came up i dont see why people are recommending it or what it has to do with CDC, fast cast, or anything else that was actually in question in this thread.

you're complaining about my posts yet you're adding very little to any overall understanding of.. anything.

i'd address the filters comment but i dont think it would get us anywhere so better to just drop it.

[Nightfyre]

Why are you even talking about Delta Thrust again?

Also worth noting that it would be easier to understand you if your posts weren't completely incomprehensible.