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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiledsickness View Post
    the problem is that you have a rdm set :P lol

    you should add Skillchain bonus to your spell set. i never set Fast Cast because blu doesnt really get interrupted. TA vs DA depends where you are. inside abyssea its Very easy to stack TA with shinryu's atma or Lion (each with 10%). outside i dont bother setting TA. Store TP? idk if that one is worth it but i've never tried to calculate it. could consider Counter or Acc Bonus.
    Ignore almost everything written here. Unless I'm mistaken the Fast Cast trait for Blu is still gimped, so it's not worth setting in the first place to lose 9 points for 5% Fast Cast.
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    only reason i set fast cast is because i dont want to drop Auroral drape. -60 ACC far outweighs sc bonus imo.

    also Wind based blind = own. makes it so you can pretty much blind anything that isnt wind based.
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    Last edited by hideka; 12-29-2011 at 06:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz View Post
    Ignore almost everything written here. Unless I'm mistaken the Fast Cast trait for Blu is still gimped, so it's not worth setting in the first place to lose 9 points for 5% Fast Cast.
    ignore what i wrote yet you agree with me? w/e

    if you still use goblin rush it pairs with benthic typhoon for SC bonus. dont see why not to use it. at least for fast cast we did get an upgrade to a regular Tier1.
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    I did some very light number crunching on the "set Triple Attack or not" question; inspired by this thread, but also just for the fun of it.

    The following numbers are dealing strickly in "opportunities to attack," not actual swings/misses/etc. - merely cued up attacks that check against Triple, and then Double Attack. Also, these numbers assume a BLU99/WAR49 equipped with an Epona's Ring, a Twilight Belt, an Atheling Mantle and a Brutal Earring (as this was described in your gear set).

    1000 attack opportunities (regardless of how fast they come via DW or Haste) translate into:

    1283.1 opportunities w/ no Triple Attack set - Outside Abyssea
    1380.1 opportunities w/ no Triple Attack set - Atma: VV
    1548.6 opportunities w/ no Triple Attack set - Atma: Apoc
    1630.6 opportunities w/ no Triple Attack set - Atma: Apoc & VV
    1725.6 opportunities w/ no Triple Attack set - Atma: Apoc & Alpha/Omega
    1797.6 opportunities w/ no Triple Attack set - Atma: Apoc, Alpha/Omega & VV

    1371.6 opportunities w/ Triple Attack set - Outside Abyssea
    1463.6 opportunities w/ Triple Attack set - Atma: VV
    1637.1 opportunities w/ Triple Attack set - Atma: Apoc
    1714.1 opportunities w/ Triple Attack set - Atma: Apoc & VV
    1814.1 opportunities w/ Triple Attack set - Atma: Apoc & Alpha/Omega
    1881.4 opportunities w/ Triple Attack set - Atma: Apoc, Alpha/Omega & VV

    This was rough math, as I said - figured by taking 1000 attack opportunities and applying the percentage of Triple Attack, then checking the percentage of Double Attack against opportunities outside Triple Attack, which left the remaining opportunites failing to produce either. This is not intended to be perfect, merely a way to wrap one's brain around the impact of Triple and Double attack on a BLU/WAR geared as described, in a way that considers Triple Attack's elimination of the chance for Double Attack to occur.

    What this shows, again in a very vulgar fashion, is that the estimated value of our Blue Mage Triple Attack job trait (5%) is an increase in opportunities to attack by a value that ranges from 8.35% to 8.85%, over not setting it and letting Double Attack ride, depending on which of the above Atma are set.

    So, all that said, I suppose it comes down to deciding if said increase in attack opportunities (8.35~8.85%) is worth the set points you are spending to acquire it.

    Hope that helps someone.
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    Last edited by Annahya; 12-29-2011 at 08:16 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiledsickness View Post
    ignore what i wrote yet you agree with me? w/e

    if you still use goblin rush it pairs with benthic typhoon for SC bonus. dont see why not to use it. at least for fast cast we did get an upgrade to a regular Tier1.
    You use Lion's atma, you don't set TA, You don't think stp is worth setting. That's what I said ignore.
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    i dont use lions atma i said it has 10% TA (same as shinryu's. diff is 10% pdt instead of auto-reraise/insta-cast)

    i also didnt say i dont set TA i said you can use DA outside and TA inside (since the person i was talking to said they didnt know if TA was worth it). its like saying to use Crit Rate outside and not inside aby. doesnt mean dont do it, just an easier rule of thumb until you decide what works best for your situation.

    is STP1 really worth it for dual wielding? im pretty sure even with maxed STP you wont shave off a hit from x-hit. maybe after 1000 hits so it's worth it during xp parties? honestly im asking. it's easy enough to set Sudden Lunge + Fantod (1point and 2dex/agi) but im not sure when you'd use it. especially since the only other STP gear i have heard of blu's using is Chiv Chain and Rajas Ring.
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    Apoc is 15% TA, Lion is 7%, they aren't the same. Why bother mentioning Lion's if you don't use it lol?
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    Store TP is worth the extra 1 set point. You should already have Sudden Lunge on at all times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hideka View Post
    only reason i set fast cast is because i dont want to drop Auroral drape. -60 ACC far outweighs sc bonus imo.

    also Wind based blind = own. makes it so you can pretty much blind anything that isnt wind based.
    Do you have proof that it's wind based? As far as I know that would be the first case of a blue magic spell debuff that isn't aligned with the standard element. Regurgitation's bind is ice based, Magnetite Cloud's gravity is wind based, etc.
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    It is most definitely not wind based.
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