CDC build and BLU Melee Build and spell sets suggestions

[Prothscar]

i dont think you're reading my posts correctly... i guess everyone is different and you can play how you want. the only thing i meant to add to this thread is commending the SC bonus Job trait (since the post was about cdc and SC bonus is one of the ways to increase its damage).

its hard to know how to respond at this point. you just said to not use delta if you're proc'ing... so you personally spam it before a blu proc is called then later when ur bored waiting or after lights are capped? seriously i've read about delta thrust a lot and i do agree its decent damage but for the situations that have came up i dont see why people are recommending it or what it has to do with CDC, fast cast, or anything else that was actually in question in this thread.

you're complaining about my posts yet you're adding very little to any overall understanding of.. anything.

i'd address the filters comment but i dont think it would get us anywhere so better to just drop it.

Don't know what Delta Thrust has to do with Fast Cast or SC Bonus either, however you're arguing points and tossing out horrible information that no one should ever follow, so your contributions to this thread are even more worthless than those of us who have actually added useful information to it.

[Defiledsickness]

there was a post right before proths last (on page 4) that i was replying to

not every VW attempt hits the full lights proc
not every VW has enough healers (or ones that actually cure)
delta thrust spam is what i was talking about, not delta thrust in between other spells (i didnt bring it up)

i wasnt aware VW was as easy as abyssea now and that all the DD's just sat on the mob in full attack. clearly asura isnt up to speed with your servers or maybe its the fact that decent gear is 50times more expensive.

[Nightfyre]

You made the jump to VW out of nowhere. You made the jump to Delta Thrust spam out of nowhere, not that the original post mentioning Delta Thrust made much more sense... Why that specific spell of any spell when comparing the two traits? And yeah, if you have a competent group DDs should be able to engage most of the time thanks to Fanatic's spam. Gil being expensive is just... lol. Gil has never been easier to come by and few things are anywhere near as expensive as gear used to be at 75.

You're never going to be able to wrangle this into something remotely resembling a logical train of thought, just let it go.

[Prothscar]

there was a post right before proths last (on page 4) that i was replying to

not every VW attempt hits the full lights proc
not every VW has enough healers (or ones that actually cure)
delta thrust spam is what i was talking about, not delta thrust in between other spells (i didnt bring it up)

i wasnt aware VW was as easy as abyssea now and that all the DD's just sat on the mob in full attack. clearly asura isnt up to speed with your servers or maybe its the fact that decent gear is 50times more expensive.

Insufficient healers are your own issue. I have no patience for any job that cannot pull their weight, healers especially. If you don't have 2-3 WHMs that can heal properly, I suggest their replacement posthaste, it is not an excuse for mediocrity or downright failure.

As for Delta Thrust spam, I saw no one mention the words "spam", "Delta", or "Thrust" in the same post until you came along. "Spamming" Delta Thrust is idiotic in a setting such as Voidwatch.

And except for a select few NMs, mainly the newest ones added, Voidwatch isn't hard. All you need is a coordinated group of people who don't suck. I regularly do PUGs for Qilin, Kaggen, etc. with no problems, oftentimes they're 4-6 minute fights.

[Defiledsickness]

meh w/e. my vw groups consist of 1whm, no rdm, no sch and typically no brd. with my LS things are different but i assume most on these forums do shout groups (i do both since the drops suck) so i was in a state of mind that your party isnt that great. i switched the discussion to VW because honestly what else are you fighting? xp mobs it doesnt matter what you do they'll die quick enough.

according to this thread TP feed doesnt matter in VW, so sorry i suggested it. and i guess i did simply post useless info because i think only VW matters atm and yet i also believe blu should only proc in VW so my JT suggestions mean squat.

[Prothscar]

meh w/e. my vw groups consist of 1whm, no rdm, no sch and typically no brd. with my LS things are different but i assume most on these forums do shout groups (i do both since the drops suck) so i was in a state of mind that your party isnt that great. i switched the discussion to VW because honestly what else are you fighting? xp mobs it doesnt matter what you do they'll die quick enough.

according to this thread TP feed doesnt matter in VW, so sorry i suggested it. and i guess i did simply post useless info because i think only VW matters atm and yet i also believe blu should only proc in VW so my JT suggestions mean squat.

Your group setup is complete garbage.

TP feed doesn't matter in Voidwatch. Most of the NMs have a large Regain effect already, which substantially detracts from the impact of feeding TP. You'll likely also have enough melee on a mob at a single time to make TP feed a moot point either way. If the melee do not have Fanatics, they're either tanking or not on the mob, thus also alleviating TP feed. BLU is not exempt from this rule.

Your belief that BLU should only proc in Voidwatch is one of the most stupid suggestions that I've ever seen on these boards. If your BLU can't hold its own in the damage or tanking department, that's your own problem. Mine and many others, however, do not have this issue.

[Defiledsickness]

swapping out procs (id assume you're not bringing more then 1 blu) while you're meleeing the mob doesnt seem smart to me (no healing while spells are reset). though you do get temps from procing you cant proc if you're not using ur elemental spells (the ones used to proc).

im not setting up these groups btw. and we havent lost a single Kaggen yet. does your position still stand when it comes to Pil? i havent fought him ina while so i dont remember but if you're constantly attacking him doesnt he keep putting his shield up? its one thing to say everyone should be meleeing now, but when VW first releases each step its not so simple. whether a zerg is practical is based on the situation and i personally dont agree with spreading zerg tactics onto a forum. you dont have to even be decent to zerg a mob so whats the fun in talking about it?

[Prothscar]

...again, why don't you have healers capable of, oh I don't know, healing you? Potions and a competent WHM as well as Fanatic's Drinks are more than enough to sustain my life. Magic Fruit is not a necessary or preferred method of dealing with HP loss in Voidwatch.

Does my position still stand for Pil?



Just three out of the dozens that I've done. You tell me. He doesn't put his shield up any more rapidly while you're doing damage to him, he will use TP moves regardless.


Since when was zerging the only practical application of physical damage?

[Defiledsickness]

i asked about pil i wasnt saying i knew i was simply asking. i only fought him when he first came out i havent fought since 99cap. i was rdm so i only remember seeing his shield go up, up up up in a row sometimes and not other times.

what is your spell damage like on Pil? because CDC is by no means the strongest WS. Nin does better dmg with Kannagi, not to mention 2handed weapons. with all the TP wings its easy for blu to run in and WS and/or SC but my personal opinion is that blu should focus on Procs instead of DDing without procing. if you really DD the entire fight and get every proc that is at least mentioned, then grats.

i stay back during VW because i've seen tanks get 1shotted (mostly back during ironclad/hahava fights) and if someone doesnt save the mages and hold hate well enough for pld's to recover, you dont often finish the fight. thats when i bother to engage the mob. as a healer and a Blu i dont expect Blu's to be cured. ochain/aegis pld's at 99 maybe dont need the attention they used to but taking time away from healing them was always a bad idea in my experience. do you ever play whm? i personally try my best not to let anyone die, but as far as decent Endgame shells are concerned blue mage isnt typically a priority on the healing list.

[Prothscar]

So instead of BLU offering what damage it can put out, it should stand there and leech until a BLU proc comes up? I'm sorry, but you are narrow minded, naive, and to be quite frank: stupid.

If your tanks are getting one shotted, they need to suck less. Nothing short of a doom/death move should be capable of one shotting anyone that would be in melee range. Your healers are lazy and horrible if they don't heal everyone that they're accountable for, that includes Blue Mages. From the sounds of it, your linkshell is just bad, and your ideals are either shaped by your experience with them or you're bad as well. I truly hope no one takes your advice and stands on the sidelines leeching instead of being productive.