[Suggestion] How to reintroduce HNMLS gameplay in FFXI Lv99‏

[Alhanelem]

I miss drama.

No. Drama sucks. The only people that like it are the ones that are the primary cause of it for their stupid behavior, cheating, and/or dirty playing (e.g. trying to make other people wipe)

[Return1]

No. Drama sucks. The only people that like it are the ones that are the primary cause of it for their stupid behavior, cheating, and/or dirty playing (e.g. trying to make other people wipe)

Or people that realize drama consists of more than cheating/stealing/MPK, and doesn't just have negative terms.

You're in an RPG, supposed to be playing a role. That role doesn't have to be all fruity like RPfags who take it way too far. Your role could be a LS leader, a LS member, a freelancer, a crafter, etc. All of these things are involved in drama. The chance you have to work harder or longer for something, the chance that you could fail or HQ, the chance that others could screw you or surprise you with a helping hand, etc., all comes together to make the moment you do achieve a goal so much better than when you roll out with a dual box WHM and beat a dumbed-down hydra in the face to get generic powerful piece of equipment #173.

[Dazusu]

Same Difficulty, Same everything.

Ah, yes. I remember my first Fafnir kill back in 2005. Sitting there waiting for pop with my three Atma(cites) taking my Crit Rate almost to cap, Regain+2 and STR+50 from nowhere. Not to mention the auto-reraise from my brand new Destroyers. Also had boosted HP while in Dragon's Aery taking me to 4K HP and a never ending supply of temporary items replenished by the Darters we claimed mid-fight.

It was tougher to proc mobs back then though, but if you got a rolling proc on Fafnir you could burn it down in 9-10 minutes without it once using Hurricane Wing. At least you had Fanatics Drink to fall back on though. Even below 25% when it seemed to spam Hurricane Wing on our alliance 3-4 times in a row, but when anyone else claimed it - it only ever appeared to roar. Bastard thing. Almost wiped us - but our Revitalizers saved us.

It was fun just spamming WS's on the mob, there was absolutely no need to SC/MB to reduce alliance damage.

Ah -- how there's no need to miss those days, because everything is still the same.

[Lafaiel]

The HNM ship has sailed, there is a reason that almost every MMO in existence is moving away from that direction, its too easy to exploit via botting, and the number of people who want that kind of content is too small.

And Danzuzu, I don't always agree with karbuncle but you quoted a clip and took it out of contex completely, when they said "same difficulty, they were referring to the difficulty of the popped fafnir being the same as the old fafnir, they did not say that that difficulty back then was the same as now.

As for what you're looking for, I hear legion is pretty challenging, no atma, no temps. Looking foward to giving it a try.

[Dazusu]

As for what you're looking for, I hear legion is pretty challenging, no atma, no temps. Looking foward to giving it a try.

Legion is a great challenge. Already run it several times. Buffed versions of the old HNM - I hope more of this content comes along :-) - It's certainly not easy.

And Danzuzu, took it out of contex completely

Probably. I only skimmed the post.

[Camiie]

I never said they'd steal VW drops. VW does play a role in killing social hierarchy and punishment for those that do steal though.

I don't need a social hierarchy to have a good time. I have better gear and more experience than some people, but that doesn't make me a better/more important/more worthy person. Others have better gear and more experience than me. I respect that, but I don't treat those people any differently than the friends I have in AF3+1 and curor gear.

As far as the bad folks being punished for their actions, it still happens. You think people never got away with murder back in the day? Heh. Please. People hated and despised by the entire server could still weasel their way into an LS or round up enough sycophants to start one of their own.

What? At 75 cap we had a ton of different "games in town", and they all supported different "levels" of players. Quests, Missions, BCNM, KSNM, ENM, ISNM, Assaults, Nyzul, Sky, Sea, HNM, Dynamis, Limbus, Garrison, Einherjar, Salvage, Campaign, Campaign Ops, SCNMs, etc. Every one of those events had something to offer as well.

Questing? In FFXI? Really? I'm sure the number of worthwhile quests is more than I'm recalling right now, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to modern MMOs. They really dropped the ball here. Missions are more the precursor to endgame than endgame itself. Including Garrison is a bit of a reach. The others are fine, but you know what? Those things came over time, and don't necessarily nullify my argument that SE, especially today's SE can't handle multiple tiers of content at once. All those things are there, but you know how they've always been about leaving old content to rot while they focus on the new and shiny.

The point was it was an instant win button, removing any work you needed to do. For Emp items, they were guaranteed to at least drop at least one. On top of that, you could just leech cruor/gil and just buy any Empyrean Armor/Weapon drop you wanted.

The brew is a new concept, although you still had to put forth some modicum of effort to earn your 200k brews. You do know that before you get to that point they're 2mil a piece right? See, once you've cleared stuff it's easy to forget what you had to do to get to that point.

As far as leeching and buying your way to victory? That's nothing new at all. You know people have been doing it long before Abyssea existed.

[Hercule]

there is a category of player who miss old school FFXI gameplay, i dont see why cause some other category of player dont like this we should be bereaved of this type of event, if you dont like it just dont play this type of events, there is alot of more type of events,

SE should add "equivalent" stuff that drop from event type VW than world spawn HNM, and it should made everyone happy I think

Mix the new FFXI gameplay with the old one should made the best MMORPG ever in my opinion

[Return1]

As far as the bad folks being punished for their actions, it still happens. You think people never got away with murder back in the day? Heh. Please. People hated and despised by the entire server could still weasel their way into an LS or round up enough sycophants to start one of their own.

People who got away with murder as you put it, and found a group, either didn't run with as good a group as they could have, or the group suffered by his presence. Most of the "drama" that people talk about is generally more about someone getting their comeuppance for something they did before, instead of an innocent bystander getting screwed. And people who joined those shitty people got exactly what they deserved in the end: rode hard and put away wet.

Questing? In FFXI? Really? I'm sure the number of worthwhile quests is more than I'm recalling right now, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to modern MMOs.

Divine Might, Apocalypse Nigh, Storms of Fate, WSes, AF, Summons, Magic Scrolls, Lu Shang/Ebisu, Inside the Belly, and some random gear/gil. Not to mention some had interesting story lines.

The brew is a new concept, although you still had to put forth some modicum of effort to earn your 200k brews. You do know that before you get to that point they're 2mil a piece right? See, once you've cleared stuff it's easy to forget what you had to do to get to that point.

As far as leeching and buying your way to victory? That's nothing new at all. You know people have been doing it long before Abyssea existed.

No shit they cost 2mil, at one point. That's not too steep even considering how easy cruor is to get and the fact it's an instant win unless you really, really mess up. Then they made it an easily obtainable 200k by doing several things you could leech through as a level 30.

And while leeches are nothing new, the extent to which they've grown is mindnumbing. Show me somewhere during the 75 cap where you could essentially leech 30-Cap, make tons of money, and come out of it with some of the absolute best gear in the game, while being AFK 98% of the time, that didn't involve RMT/Botting.

[Sparthos]

If you want drama and "challenge" petition for PvP rather than the pseudo-PvP hogwash that was oldschool HNMs.

I look forward to sticking my penis in the faces of others when I kill people who have weaker gear than me. After that is over I'll harass you in tell for hours lecturing on how superior I am to you before signing up for another round of spanking noobs and bragging about being godly at this game in Port Jeuno.

[Hayward]

If you want drama and "challenge" petition for PvP rather than the pseudo-PvP hogwash that was oldschool HNMs.

I look forward to sticking my penis in the faces of others when I kill people who have weaker gear than me. After that is over I'll harass you in tell for hours lecturing on how superior I am to you before signing up for another round of spanking noobs and bragging about being godly at this game in Port Jeuno.

Afterwards, I'll get ready for school where I'll get stuffed in a locker (again) for high-capping about a video game.

Anyway, the whole HNM concept is past its sell-by date, as is the job/gear discrimination mentality. People aren't going for the "Relic/Empyrean <insert job> only" junk that comes from kiss-up, kick-down jerks--some of whom frequent this forum among others--who have nothing going for them beyond FFXI. HNM linkshells, if there's any justice, will remain a thing of the past along with the politics that came with them.