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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meyi View Post
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    I've been told there's an ignore button somewhere on here. That might be the best option for dealing with me if my posts are disgusting to read for you. I already mentioned (in another thread, I believe), that I'm simply an eye-for-an-eye kinda guy. If someone is being respectful, I'll always be respectful back to them. If someone is being rude and disgusting, I have no problem with being rude and disgusting back to them. And while that won't win me a popularity contest on here it's worth my personal satisfaction for upsetting the target person while doing so. I won't change that way. If you have trouble with that, blacklist me or, if I go overboard with it, report me. I have no desire to show my respect to people who don't deserve it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meyi View Post
    I say no because Abyssea was still huge just six months ago. Six months ago was late June. Abyssea was pretty huge even into September. I remember when I quit for college classes around October/November everyone was still doing Abyssea nonstop, with Voidwatch just starting to creep into the picture. When I came back in late November/early December, Voidwatch had become the new thing and Abyssea, while it's still being played in today, has lost its throne.

    So no I'd say it mostly happened during the Abyssea era. The ???s were for Abyssea NMs, you know.
    That's not an indication of anything. They can fix content way outside of its respective era. They recently adjusted kings and KS99, I'm sure you wouldn't call that "kings era" either, because it was pretty much dead already by then. But ok, it was Abyssea era. Let's leave it at that. Let's say September was also Abyssea era. That's going by your post of what was most popular back then, even though I'd personally disagree, since I feel like the "era" of Abyssea was largely over by March. After that people just had nowhere else to go for a while.

    So if September was still Abyssea era, how can you complain about SE not listening anymore when you barely gave them one month to respond (and even ignoring the other examples I provided, that showed they still implemented player feedback this very update)? All those positive changes (that, supposedly, happened in the Abyssea era) took up to a year to implement. Now they can't get two months?

    This is what I meant. I won't say the development team are saints. I'm not defending them. I know they're slow and they largely do what they want. But the facts indicate it's always been that way. Abyssea didn't improve them in any way in that regard. There's a slew of valid criticism about the development team, and saying they're slow and/or ignoring the playerbase is valid too. What is wrong is putting the blame on Tanaka (or anyone in particular, because no one has any clue what goes on at SE headquarters) and saying that he ruined playerbase communication when it used to be so great. That's just a weak argument.
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  2. #72
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    ukko ukko light dead that was most nms in abbysea if that didnt do it with sekki them retaliation and meditate up one more and dead before you can blink

    p.s. sams can do 10k++ outside abysea and they didnt get nerfed. Tanaka i feel is racist to all other things not from japan they nerft monk cause h2h a.k.a. karate came from china and korea you are right it was lazy of them to nerf a few jobs and not fix the others. I wish tanaka would get lost and let the developement team do what they were doing they were going in the right direction before he came back. Rumor has it tanaka was told to get lost by the FFXIV team cause his ideahs where pissing everyone off

    Tanaka here is some advice sometimes its best for a leader to step back and let his people do there work dont micromanage thats the mother of all failure
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    Last edited by axlzero; 12-30-2011 at 05:20 AM.

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    Karate came from Japan. Kung Fu and Taekwondo came from China and Korea respectively. /nerdface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    [Response to personal criticism]
    I'd rather not ignore you because I like reading what every member has to contribute, even if I disagree with it or find it ridiculous. You asked why people were attacking you and I explained to you why they do that. As long as you're aware of the potential attitude stirring people up in a frenzy to which they respond with bitterness, then you have the right to go forth. But as someone from the outside looking in I figured you at least deserved to know why.



    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    That's not an indication of anything. They can fix content way outside of its respective era. They recently adjusted kings and KS99, I'm sure you wouldn't call that "kings era" either, because it was pretty much dead already by then. But ok, it was Abyssea era. Let's leave it at that. Let's say September was also Abyssea era. That's going by your post of what was most popular back then, even though I'd personally disagree, since I feel like the "era" of Abyssea was largely over by March. After that people just had nowhere else to go for a while.

    So if September was still Abyssea era, how can you complain about SE not listening anymore when you barely gave them one month to respond (and even ignoring the other examples I provided, that showed they still implemented player feedback this very update)? All those positive changes (that, supposedly, happened in the Abyssea era) took up to a year to implement. Now they can't get two months?
    I agree kings was out of kings era. I'm not judging eras by updated content but by player popularity. And are you sure it had peaked by March? The devastating tsunami hit mid March and servers were down.

    I dunno, it seemed really popular all summer long on Bismarck. Perhaps different servers and different playstyles? I didn't collect most of my +2s until late August/early September, just a little before I took a couple month break. But maybe I'm one of the laggers who was playing catch up. To me it seems like Abyssea era lasted until at least the end of summer.

    As for devs responding in a rational time I'm not angry at them. I think if they provided some kind of "Hey we heard you and we'll consider it!" note in suggested topics we'd feel more satisfied. There are many ways to prove that they are listening other than just inserting quick updates to fix problems.

    One great way to show they're listening is to not implement things several official board members are voicing concerns against.

    I agree that blaming one individual for the fall of a game is ridiculous... unless he actually is the source. I don't know enough about him or about the private matters of Square Enix. But I do know they are Japanese and knowing a bit about Japanese culture can make understanding their actions a lot easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insaniac View Post
    Karate came from Japan. Kung Fu and Taekwondo came from China and Korea respectively. /nerdface.
    ty for the correction
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