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Said it in another thread, the White Knights for FF11 are [snip]

First of all, I assume you mean PvE. Second, are you reading what I said? What about what I'm saying strikes you as white-knighting? I'm not defending SE, I'm attacking YOU for being so ugly about their mistakes. You're ending up looking even worse than they are, IMO.

so what your saying is level 60+ is no longer progression, and from 60-99 everything we do and earn is justifiably a side-grade?

No, that's not what I'm saying. Personally (and I am talking JUST personally here, I am NOT demanding that things change) it always irked me that once you got a new WS, the others became more or less completely useless and were just taking up space. And unlike gear where you have to make decisions as to what to carry and wear, the weapon skills are just speed bumps. I would like to see WSs develop into more of a situational tool where skill is required to know which WS to use.

But that's just me, and there's certainly nothing wrong with wanting the current system to extend further. In fact, it does make a bit more sense that way. There is however, at least in my view, something wrong with DEMANDING it based on YOUR assumption of how the game should progress, and being all angry when SE or anyone else doesn't cave immediately.

A points system is good for everyone, for casuals they can join proper shells setup to get gear from VW and hardcore players can make proper progress instead of the current totally random unrewarding mess. Current system puts casuals off more than hardcore because after 10+ runs getting nothing they won't wanna do it anymore.

Well, I agree. But not everyone is gonna see it that way, especially if the point costs are high for the really good items. Yeah, it would be unjustifiable in my view for people to whine and say they'll never get a fazheluo mail because they have to do voidwatch, say, 100 times. But you know it will happen. What makes you so sure that our concerns are the "majority" or "eminent" or "compelling"? Just because we have them?



Look, I agree with the gist of what you all are saying, I'm just arguing for a modicum of civil discourse instead of this constant whining about how "we're being ignored". It's not only unproductive to expect SE to listen to us just because we happen to be right, it's also quite unseemly. We made our point, there's a possibility they've listened even if they haven't done anything yet, so we should shut up instead of QQing all over the place and being all OMG ANGRY because you're ENTITLED to having things fixed the way YOU want and when YOU want, REGARDLESS OF HOW RIGHT YOU ARE.

And yes, I'm whining and angry quite a lot myself, which seems like a contradiction, but it isn't. You are (I hope) the sole agents responsible for your own behavior, unlike SE. So if I'm white-knighting for anything, it's not SE, but rather the prerogative a company has to listen to their entire player base, not just a vocal minority like us.