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[wish12oz]

To the best of my knowledge, Shoha is on par with or slightly better than Fudo. So I guess Fudo should be nerfed too then? Or are people screaming that Shoha needs to be nerfed because sam finally got a ws that isn't complete shit when in Abyssea?

Atoris (I think it was) said he did some testing and said Shona is 30% stronger then Ukkos (after the nerf) on the new hard VW mobs and that SAM has a 30% higher WS frequency then WAR. That switches the game to SAM or GTFO, moreso then it was at 75.

[Arcon]

It took SE over a year to nerf Ukko's. Shoha has only been out for a week. They won't nerf it until people all get it and level their SAM just for it and get relics just for it and get used to doing all the endgame events with SAMx15. Then they'll change the WSC to 5% CHR and in the same update they'll allow Desperate Blows to go over the Delay cap. They'll rotate this through every job, so that every job gets hated as the one overpowered job at one point in time.

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Just curious, what was in your sig?

[Runespider]

To the best of my knowledge, Shoha is on par with or slightly better than Fudo. So I guess Fudo should be nerfed too then? Or are people screaming that Shoha needs to be nerfed because sam finally got a ws that isn't complete shit when in Abyssea?

It's a fair bit stronger than Fudo, the new Magian GK craps on Masa too.

Thing I didn't like about the war nerfs personally was they did it now, they should of kept it and done it when they added proper new content. People are already kinda annoyed at how things are, why nerf their toy when feeling is as it is. Timing is everything.

[Kimble]

I really wouldnt listen to Atoreis.

[Zarchery]

FFXI Official forum procedure at work!

1) Make a rude, sarcastic, post that insults the development team.
2) Complain that the development team doesn't listen to you.
3) Goto step 1.

[Zerich]

FFXI Official forum procedure at work!

1) Make a rude, sarcastic, post that insults the development team.
2) Complain that the development team doesn't listen to you.
3) Goto step 1.

you sir, have won

[Sparthos]

FFXI Official forum procedure at work!

1) Make a rude, sarcastic, post that insults the development team.
2) Complain that the development team doesn't listen to you.
3) Goto step 1.

This implies SE listens if you come off rationally as I feel I have in most of my criticisms.

Guess what? SE doesn't care if you say "fuckity fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck this is broken" or "mlord, I beleive that SAM is brokenth beyondeth our wildest dreameth, dost thou intend to patch this problem?" because it both runs through the SE translator equally as 'ignore'.

[Potyhoty]

This implies SE listens if you come off rationally as I feel I have in most of my criticisms.

Guess what? SE doesn't care if you say "fuckity fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck this is broken" or "mlord, I beleive that SAM is brokenth beyondeth our wildest dreameth, dost thou intend to patch this problem?" because it both runs through the SE translator equally as 'ignore'.

...the sense of entitlement... it burns...

[Sparthos]

...the sense of entitlement... it burns...

The lack of substance added to the conversation..... D:

[Potyhoty]

The lack of substance added to the conversation..... D:

"Lack of substance"? What else do you want me to say? I don't feel the refrain of "OMG THEY ARE NOT LISTENING BECAUSE MY FAVORITE TOY IS BEING TAKEN AWAY" is worth humoring by saying anything else. I can do without "conversation" about that. Of course, the other option was to say nothing, but then, if I did that, that's like caving before I even started, and I refuse to let these pompous, self-aggrandizing, egotistical temper tantrums continue without at least commenting. So I'll humor you.

Yes, in point of fact, I agree with you that the WSs could be better, as they stand now, and no, I don't feel that SE has made the right move. But to think you are OH SO IMPORTANT that SE is so blown away by your OMGFEEDBACK that they must be IGNORING you, rather than... you know, thinking about how to fix it for the next update, or something sane like that. You, and people like you, are not, and will NEVER be, the only FFXI players worthy of consideration, and what you call YOUR ability to function in the game the way you want to... well, that's not yours and never was.

Sure, you can say "Well, if you do X, and Y, and Z, that will fix things", and you'd probably be at least partly right. But then you run the risk of upsetting people that say "OMG THINGS ARE UNBALANCED NOW BECAUSE MY JOB IS NERFED/THIS OTHER JOB IS NOW SOOOOO OP" because of THEIR overweening sense of entitlement, and the cycle starts all over again.

The other option is for SE to stop, take stock of things, go through a few meetings, and then slowly try to address issues,but oh no, that takes SO LOOOOOOOONG, YOU'RE BEING IGNORED.

And don't give me any bullshit about "everyone hates the new WSs/cares about the new .dats/misses the level of power they had with their jobs", that's false consensus at work. Sure, the people who complain about it don't like it, but that's all we know because the others aren't talking, because it's not worth the effort arguing with someone who's already angry to start with.

And this stuff about repainting .dats... Could you find something more inconsequential to complain about? Seriously, it makes you look like an ass. "Laziness" has nothing to do with it, rather not having the money to pay graphic designers has something to do with it. Yeah, it's not great, and I'd love new armor looks too, but seriously... that was a low blow with no possible constructive consequence.

Yeah, you're frustrated, and I want to say I understand why, but I'd be lying because I don't. All I see is someone complaining because the world doesn't sufficiently revolve around him. And if you'd tried, you could probably have extrapolated most of that from my original comment, but you didn't, and chose to essentially say "Yeah, I'm entitled, so what?" So I've probably wasted my time. Oh well.

ETA: I should add, because I forgot, that there is absolutely nothing wrong with complaining, and it serves a useful function. It is, after all, what SE claims they created these forums for. But there's a line after which complaining stops being constructive and starts feeding on itself and existing for its own sake. There's a line between "This is wrong" and "This is wrong and you're lazy for not having fixed it yet", in other words. Please grow up.