Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

**Insaniac** · 12-25-2011 04:49 PM

I was talking today with a friend about how they should add an effect that increases the drop rate of good items from any specific VWNM for every time you kill it. The suggested number was a .1% drop rate increase per kill that caps at 10%. So after 100 kills of any specific NM you would have a 1/10 chance of getting the item you are after. It still fits with the Tanaka style dice roll reward system but players could at least say they are making some sort of minimal progress even when they get logged. It would still be a massive grind but the chance of going 0/200 on anything would be very very low and the chance of some guy showing up and going 1/1 when you are 0/100 would be even lower.

I know a guy on my server who put together 200+ Qilins runs that never got a Coruscanti who was treated to watching someone who had no use for it go 1/1. There's no justification in the world to crush someones soul like that in a video game.

Also, I made this to illustrate how VW makes people feel.

**Arcon** · 12-25-2011 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Insaniac

I was talking today with a friend about how they should add an effect that increases the drop rate of good items from any specific VWNM for every time you kill it. The suggested number was a .1% drop rate increase per kill that caps at 10%. So after 100 kills of any specific NM you would have a 1/10 chance of getting the item you are after. It still fits with the Tanaka style dice roll reward system but players could at least say they are making some sort of minimal progress even when they get logged. It would still be a massive grind but the chance of going 0/200 on anything would be very very low and the chance of some guy showing up and going 1/1 when you are 0/100 would be even lower.

This idea is quite good, I would love something like that. Preserve randomness, yet increase steady rewards through progress.

That's the thing that ticks most people off about randomness. If you remember, SE had a poll whether people wanted AF2+2 to be static augments or random augments. People were overwhelmingly for static augments, and for the exact same reason. People wanna see progress. They don't wanna be right where they were 50 tries ago, while someone else goes 1/1. They want progress, like with empyrean armor and weapons. They wanna know that, when they invest five hours of their lives, that they at least went somewhere. People don't like playing the lottery (well, some maybe, but definitely not as a fulltime job). Just give us something that tells us we're working towards a goal.

**Ilax** · 01-04-2012 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Arcon

People were overwhelmingly for static augments, and for the exact same reason. People wanna see progress. They don't wanna be right where they were 50 tries ago, while someone else goes 1/1. They want progress, like with empyrean armor and weapons. They wanna know that, when they invest five hours of their lives, that they at least went somewhere. People don't like playing the lottery (well, some maybe, but definitely not as a fulltime job). Just give us something that tells us we're working towards a goal.

If it was a progress, you would need beat the NM 1,000 time, and then Casual player be unhappy.

With *lottery* system, everyone have chance at it, some be ultra unlucky, some be lucky. (End of story)

Note #1
I find it funny, because most of these armor are just good for WS and totally TRASH to TP in, making the sphere effect useless, the only reason most of "CRY BABY" want the armor is to "FEEL SPECIAL", but how special will you feel if everyone have it because its a 100% drop rate? [Abyssea reference]

I wonder sometime if people even think before post they Q.Q thread, as VW work right now is ~1% chance on body for EACH of the 18 player, so stop comparing this with OLD shitty content we had with HNM that was 1% drop for a whole 18 player in alliance, not even going to talk to the 24 to 72h wait per fight.

You can kill VW NM (with a good group) in 2~5 min, you suck if you kill it in 15 min. So even if you have to fight it 200x is max 3,000 minute (if you sux) or 1,000 minute if you in good group. so that is 50h or 16h of your "precious time". God even casual player can do this easy.

If you have so much GIL, then why don't you just buy the NQ version at AH, because it don't have the "Sphere effect" to make you feel special? (Then Go back read Note #1)

I do VW everyday, i see body drop everyday, i also see PPL rage quit in my alliance after 0/1 just because someone in my alliance got body 1/43.

Hater always gonna hate.

**Sparthos** · 01-04-2012 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by Ilax

If it was a progress, you would need beat the NM 1,000 time, and then Casual player be unhappy.

Needing to use such a high number to make your point is silly. If you had to beat an NM 75 times to get a sure-fire chance at the HQ drop, it'd be a number that you could slowly chip away at - a mountain with a summit to be scaled. In the current system you have an unknown number which makes everyone unhappy.

Sure, some people would complain about a point system but overall you'd have people willing to group up because a reward would only be X number of kills away.

With *lottery* system, everyone have chance at it, some be ultra unlucky, some be lucky. (End of story)

Which is why Voidwatch sucks. It punishes linkshells that want to gear up certain people and it punishes randoms by giving some loot, some a waste of time and mismatched drops. It's a piece of shit.

Hey I'm a DRK and I got a mage drop!
Hey I'm a WHM and got a melee drop!
Hey, I'm a moron and got the HQ drop 3x in a row!

Note #1
I find it funny, because most of these armor are just good for WS and totally TRASH to TP in, making the sphere effect useless, the only reason most of "CRY BABY" want the armor is to "FEEL SPECIAL", but how special will you feel if everyone have it because its a 100% drop rate? [Abyssea reference]

Different people want different pieces of gear for different reasons. Some want Ephemeron off Aello while others want Toci's, Hekira or a Radiant mail. Either way you go, your interpretation of how good the gear is doesn't change the fact that the drop rate can be 1/1 or 1/100. In your blindness to bash Abyssea, you've completely missed the point that Voidwatch does nothing but frustrate and detract from the possible pool of people that would participate otherwise.

I wonder sometime if people even think before post they Q.Q thread, as VW work right now is ~1% chance on body for EACH of the 18 player, so stop comparing this with OLD shitty content we had with HNM that was 1% drop for a whole 18 player in alliance, not even going to talk to the 24 to 72h wait per fight.

So because old content had shit rates, the new must too? Unlike old HNM, you have no chance to even SEE the fucking loot unless the random number generator wills it to be so. In theory you could go over 1/1000 on a drop and have no way to increase your odds other than to keep spinning the roulette wheel.

Who cares if the sub 1% rate is spread across more people? Your friend can go 3/30 on HQ drop and what can he/she do other than drop the piece? The system is the 'invisible hand' flipping the bird at you.

You can kill VW NM (with a good group) in 2~5 min, you suck if you kill it in 15 min. So even if you have to fight it 200x is max 3,000 minute (if you sux) or 1,000 minute if you in good group. so that is 50h or 16h of your "precious time". God even casual player can do this easy.

Show me 'casual' players beating mobs like Kalusutrax or Botulus Rex in 2-5mins. You're talking out of your ass and even if you zerg the thing down in that time we're still back at square one where you cannot secure loot no matter how many times you repeat.

Congrats you beat it in 2mins and here is your logs/ore for a job well done.

**Ilax** · 01-04-2012 06:39 AM