Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Ilax]

Also, make the boxes work like NMs do. If a player already has a Rare item, then that item doesn't appear in the pool. That spot in the pool could be filled in with anything else. Maybe it would increase the chance of them getting some weapon or armor they don't already have. Maybe they would just get another log... or perhaps they could add more desirable drops? Whatever the case, the box definitely needs to be smarter in what it's giving out. I guess you could say SE needs to start thinking outside the box!

100% agree on that. [That was the first mistake DEV did]

Now adding in a points system, which would more than likely include new/unique gear would take a lot more work, but that work would go a very long way in smoothing things over with the players and luring more people into the VW grind.

Yes that would be smart, the problem is DEV gave us CRUOR and EXP as side reward, that is second mistake DEV did imo. That right, they could give us special VW point instead, these point could be spend for Atmacite or "Special gear" as you say, but knowing SE, i doubt they ever change that now... They kinda missed the boat, this say, it make me wonder how people that have access to TEST server never mentioned that before final release of VW? Or wait maybe VW came out before the public test server hmm.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Doesn't matter when SE ignores what the players keep telling them is wrong with the system and insist 'that's not the problem'.

They've been doing it for awhile anyway

[Khajit]

In other news a person just got 3 of the same body during a run.many rages ensued.

[blowfin]

I think they should make us wait until JP midnight ticks over to be able to open the loot chest.

[Runespider]

It's annoying that shouts are starting to dry up for VW too now (and many still didn't get their drops), either the regular group builders got the stuff they wanted and stopped or they simply gave up trying.

[Prothscar]

So build it yourself. Reliance on others is a weak quality.

[Runespider]

So build it yourself. Reliance on others is a weak quality.

Weak or not it's a quality the vast vast majority of the playerbase has, every server has a small group of people that make groups and everyone else that joins them. You can talk how it should be which is nice, but you still have to accept the reality and telling people to "make your own groups" won't instantly make them go do it or even contemplate it.

[Prothscar]

So it's their own damn fault and they have no one to blame but themselves, it isn't an excuse to blame someone else.

[Runespider]

So it's their own damn fault and they have no one to blame but themselves, it isn't an excuse to blame someone else.

Have you actually joined groups where someone that isn't very good at building parties has made for VW? Just curious.

Anyway it's not a big deal was just another thought and a bump to the topic XD

[Prothscar]

If the party structure is horrendous you better bet your ass I'd be saying something about it, and 9/10 times it will be corrected. If not, /pcmd leave. I do not fancy wasting stones or my time if people will not listen to advice. That's the problem I think with most, they're too timid or too lazy to speak up and help organize or correct issues in groups and would rather just ride it out.