Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Ilax]

The old HNM drop system was a poop sandwich. The new VW system is a glass full of spit. One may be less disgusting than the other, but you'd have to be a very messed person up to want either one.

Does the VW loot distribution suck less than what we had in the past? Yeah. Does that make it good? No.

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

I can just imagine you get 2 Body of something then give it to a friend, and then that friend get something 2x and instead giving to you, he give to another guy that you don't really like. I think changing it can just lead to more drama.

Also have to think how people in port jeuno will start shouting: Toci's Harness do you need it? 16 million /tell. Then all you know, is not anymore about "How lucky you are" or "how many time you did it", but also "How much gil you paid for it". You just open a new wave of RMT / Gil buyer.

[Raksha]

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

People have been saying it in just about every post in this thread and others.

Change it to a point system.

[Zinato]

I was told by a player today that a system to give 100% drop rate on bodies was implemented without warning, the system will drop 100% on the 300th kill. By his testimonial he got his 1/300 on exactly kill 300, and at this point i am ready to believe any good news. But, one testimonial isnt too credible so I would like to have someone confirm this before I start doing Kaggen let me know if anyone gets 0/300.

[FrankReynolds]

The old HNM drop system was a poop sandwich. The new VW system is a glass full of spit. One may be less disgusting than the other, but you'd have to be a very messed person up to want either one.

Does the VW loot distribution suck less than what we had in the past? Yeah. Does that make it good? No.

That was an excellent description of the 2 events. +1

I feel the same way. I don't grade game content on a sliding scale.

[Camiie]

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

I can just imagine you get 2 Body of something then give it to a friend, and then that friend get something 2x and instead giving to you, he give to another guy that you don't really like. I think changing it can just lead to more drama.

Also have to think how people in port jeuno will start shouting: Toci's Harness do you need it? 16 million /tell. Then all you know, is not anymore about "How lucky you are" or "how many time you did it", but also "How much gil you paid for it". You just open a new wave of RMT / Gil buyer.

My compromise would be leaving the randomness in place to appease the devs, but adding a point/token system similar to Einherjar's on the side to throw a bone to the playerbase. Anything obtained from the points system would be R/EX so as to avoid creating a market as you've described. I guess someone could still make money from it somehow, but I think it'd be a bit harder. The points items would be good enough to be desirable, but not the absolute top of the line stuff.

Also, make the boxes work like NMs do. If a player already has a Rare item, then that item doesn't appear in the pool. That spot in the pool could be filled in with anything else. Maybe it would increase the chance of them getting some weapon or armor they don't already have. Maybe they would just get another log... or perhaps they could add more desirable drops? Whatever the case, the box definitely needs to be smarter in what it's giving out. I guess you could say SE needs to start thinking outside the box!

Anyway, it may not even take wholesale changes to make this event work for more people. A few tweaks to box contents shouldn't be that difficult. That would certainly help. Now adding in a points system, which would more than likely include new/unique gear would take a lot more work, but that work would go a very long way in smoothing things over with the players and luring more people into the VW grind.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Time stamp in FFXI???

For those who don't know, those are plugins for the windower he's using. Just thought I'd point out the fact that he's using a windower and posting images of it on the official forum. Brilliant.

[Arcon]

For those who don't know, those are plugins for the windower he's using. Just thought I'd point out the fact that he's using a windower and posting images of it on the official forum. Brilliant.

[Frost]

Arguing for the sake of arguing?

Seriously, the argument "It's always been that way" holds no water...

Just because it has always been a random crap drop system, doesn't mean it has to remain that way.

But if you'd like to play that game...
How about this: "You've always had a loot pool that you can decide what gear goes to what person that earned it."

And arguing extremes that don't exist is not helping your case either. Spouting off fairy tales about stuff that isn't happening, because it can't due to the current system, and hypotheticals that have no basis in reality, doesn't help your argument. Comments like: "Leader decided to sell your body for 25 million to a gil buyer to fund his relic." is riddled with assumptions to the point I wonder if you're Glen Beck or something; the rest of the list is just as bad.

If your leader is unfair, leave, but if you're new to a group you should know how things operate before you enter into an arrangement. You're also cherry picking your argument.

- Maybe it was a sell and split where the entire run (including new folks) got a share?
- Maybe they just gave the bodies away to help out (yes it happens, it's how I ended up in my current linkshell, they're good people and just like to help people).
- Your bad experiences shouldn't define everyone else's.

And just to nail that last point home. If you're really "looking out for us" as your post awkwardly presents itself to be doing.. Then go with the common voice. We don't want to be "chumped" by SE's current system. Give us more control over our experiences. You don't want a linkshell leader to decide who gets what? But you're willing to let SE decide? At least even a corrupt leader has some semblance of a reward system, even if it's as selfish as "I don't need this, you can have it", you can't even do that in Voidwatch...

[Ilax]

- Your bad experiences shouldn't define everyone else's.

If it was just me.. i think you just try reverse the problem, no doubt there great leader on every server, but not to the point to say "in general" they all great, not even close to that.

I rather have the server decide if i get drop, then a dumb ass telling me i can't lot for 1 zillion randomness reason.

[Raksha]

I rather have the server decide if i get drop, then a dumb ass telling me i can't lot for 1 zillion randomness reason.

Point system is an answer to both. Your LS leader can't collect your points and sell them to other people, and you also don't have to put up with crazy random 1% drop rates.