Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Camiie]

The old HNM drop system was a poop sandwich. The new VW system is a glass full of spit. One may be less disgusting than the other, but you'd have to be a very messed person up to want either one.

Does the VW loot distribution suck less than what we had in the past? Yeah. Does that make it good? No.

[Ilax]

The old HNM drop system was a poop sandwich. The new VW system is a glass full of spit. One may be less disgusting than the other, but you'd have to be a very messed person up to want either one.

Does the VW loot distribution suck less than what we had in the past? Yeah. Does that make it good? No.

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

I can just imagine you get 2 Body of something then give it to a friend, and then that friend get something 2x and instead giving to you, he give to another guy that you don't really like. I think changing it can just lead to more drama.

Also have to think how people in port jeuno will start shouting: Toci's Harness do you need it? 16 million /tell. Then all you know, is not anymore about "How lucky you are" or "how many time you did it", but also "How much gil you paid for it". You just open a new wave of RMT / Gil buyer.

[Raksha]

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

People have been saying it in just about every post in this thread and others.

Change it to a point system.

[Camiie]

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

I can just imagine you get 2 Body of something then give it to a friend, and then that friend get something 2x and instead giving to you, he give to another guy that you don't really like. I think changing it can just lead to more drama.

Also have to think how people in port jeuno will start shouting: Toci's Harness do you need it? 16 million /tell. Then all you know, is not anymore about "How lucky you are" or "how many time you did it", but also "How much gil you paid for it". You just open a new wave of RMT / Gil buyer.

My compromise would be leaving the randomness in place to appease the devs, but adding a point/token system similar to Einherjar's on the side to throw a bone to the playerbase. Anything obtained from the points system would be R/EX so as to avoid creating a market as you've described. I guess someone could still make money from it somehow, but I think it'd be a bit harder. The points items would be good enough to be desirable, but not the absolute top of the line stuff.

Also, make the boxes work like NMs do. If a player already has a Rare item, then that item doesn't appear in the pool. That spot in the pool could be filled in with anything else. Maybe it would increase the chance of them getting some weapon or armor they don't already have. Maybe they would just get another log... or perhaps they could add more desirable drops? Whatever the case, the box definitely needs to be smarter in what it's giving out. I guess you could say SE needs to start thinking outside the box!

Anyway, it may not even take wholesale changes to make this event work for more people. A few tweaks to box contents shouldn't be that difficult. That would certainly help. Now adding in a points system, which would more than likely include new/unique gear would take a lot more work, but that work would go a very long way in smoothing things over with the players and luring more people into the VW grind.

[Ilax]

Also, make the boxes work like NMs do. If a player already has a Rare item, then that item doesn't appear in the pool. That spot in the pool could be filled in with anything else. Maybe it would increase the chance of them getting some weapon or armor they don't already have. Maybe they would just get another log... or perhaps they could add more desirable drops? Whatever the case, the box definitely needs to be smarter in what it's giving out. I guess you could say SE needs to start thinking outside the box!

100% agree on that. [That was the first mistake DEV did]

Now adding in a points system, which would more than likely include new/unique gear would take a lot more work, but that work would go a very long way in smoothing things over with the players and luring more people into the VW grind.

Yes that would be smart, the problem is DEV gave us CRUOR and EXP as side reward, that is second mistake DEV did imo. That right, they could give us special VW point instead, these point could be spend for Atmacite or "Special gear" as you say, but knowing SE, i doubt they ever change that now... They kinda missed the boat, this say, it make me wonder how people that have access to TEST server never mentioned that before final release of VW? Or wait maybe VW came out before the public test server hmm.

[FrankReynolds]

The old HNM drop system was a poop sandwich. The new VW system is a glass full of spit. One may be less disgusting than the other, but you'd have to be a very messed person up to want either one.

Does the VW loot distribution suck less than what we had in the past? Yeah. Does that make it good? No.

That was an excellent description of the 2 events. +1

I feel the same way. I don't grade game content on a sliding scale.