Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Tagrineth]

Even with the "ease of use" of Voidwatch - half the people in the alliance are basically proc filler, costs them nothing to join the run unless they want to trade a few cells - it's SO hard to get people to actually go DO it, because the drop rates are so awful. :\

[Olor]

Three words:
Hell no thanks.

why not? I like the choose an augment concept - it allows you to make some niche armor that fills holes in your sets. I would love to see more of it. Most armor sucks for classes like PUP/SMN/BST because the devs make something that is sort of good for "most" jobs - and war/thf/sam etc don't need pet haste.

[FrankReynolds]

why not? I like the choose an augment concept - it allows you to make some niche armor that fills holes in your sets. I would love to see more of it. Most armor sucks for classes like PUP/SMN/BST because the devs make something that is sort of good for "most" jobs - and war/thf/sam etc don't need pet haste.

I'd be fine with it as long as I could pick / change the stats. If its more random shit or crafted, screw that.

[Creelo]

VW is really starting to get disheartening... and some of the new T6 VWNMs (especially Botulus Rex) are a bit... ridiculous in difficulty.

I would truly love to see a bunch of average, Joe shmoe players be able to take them down efficiently, or at all.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

VW is really starting to get disheartening... and some of the new T6 VWNMs (especially Botulus Rex) are a bit... ridiculous in difficulty.

I would truly love to see a bunch of average, Joe shmoe players be able to take them down efficiently, or at all.

The only people I see wearing the new gear are all JP.

[Sparthos]

VW is really starting to get disheartening... and some of the new T6 VWNMs (especially Botulus Rex) are a bit... ridiculous in difficulty.

I would truly love to see a bunch of average, Joe shmoe players be able to take them down efficiently, or at all.

3 words:

Proc or die.

[Creelo]

3 words:

Proc or die.

Yup lol, pretty much

Also, hope your proc'ers don't suck or lie about having Temp Items. x.x

[Prothscar]

Having the monsters scale their difficulty, but also scale drop rates, based on the number of players engaging them, say from 6 to 18, would be a reasonable strategy to make Voidwatch more accessible while still making it profitable for a larger group to take part in the event. Obviously the drop rates would also have to be reconsidered as making them even lower than they are now for smaller groups would be preposterous, perhaps have a smaller group of 6~10 people have the drop rate that exists now while a larger group would benefit from enhanced drop rates. A larger group would also benefit from having more reliable procs.

This would serve to, again, make Voidwatch more accessible while still making it rewarding for larger groups, and it would also retain the difficulty of some of the T6 fights (which I personally enjoy).

I would also propose the addition of a token system, similar in fashion to the Trophy system added in Heroes of Abyssea. Tokens would be NM specific and could be traded in to an NPC for the items that the NM drops. Tokens per NM would also be based on group size to maintain the larger groups still being worthwhile. Only the higher tier NMs of their designated chapter and branch would drop these tokens.

Let's say...

Hahava - Intolerable Token
30 tokens - Ganesha's Mask
50 tokens - Ganesha's Mala
80 tokens - Mextli Harness

Voidwrought - Impenetrable Token
30 tokens - Strendu Ring
50 tokens - Strendu Mantle
80 tokens - Fazheluo Radiant Mail

Pil - Varna Token
30 tokens - Aliyat Chakram
50 tokens - Dilaram's Sollerets
80 tokens - Toci's harness

Kaggen - Mantoptera Token
30 tokens - Mantis Eye
50 tokens - Phasmida belt
80 tokens - Mekira Meikogai

Qilin - Zodiac Token
30 tokens - Houyi's Gorget
50 tokens - Fajin Boots
50 tokens - Lux Pugio
100 tokens - Coruscanti

Etc.

Could also add an option on the NPC that allows you to trade certain tokens for certain Magian Trial items so that, after someone already has the drops that they desire from each NM, they still have a reason to repeat the fights.

For example:
5 Akvan, Kaggen, Pil, Qilin, Aello, or Uptala tokens - 1 Riftsand
10 Akvan, Kaggen, Pil, Qilin, Aello, or Uptala tokens - 1 Heavy Metal Plate
80 Akvan, Kaggen, Pil, Qilin, Aello, or Uptala tokens - 1 Heavy Metal Pouch

10 Gaunab, Ocythoe, Kalasutrax, Ig-Alima, or Botulus Rex tokens - 1 Heavy Metal Plate
50 Gaunab, Ocythoe, Kalasutrax, Ig-Alima, or Botulus Rex tokens - 1 Riftdross
50 Gaunab, Ocythoe, Kalasutrax, Ig-Alima, or Botulus Rex tokens - 1 Riftcinder

1 token per fight for a group of 6~11
2 tokens per fight for a group of 12~17
3 tokens per fight for a group of 18

This would still mean that content is repeated several times, but it will also mean that you are eventually guaranteed the drop that you're after. This sort of system would not shorten the lifespan of this content for most people, quelling any concerns that the Developement Team may have toward that topic, however it would allow peace of mind in that after a certain number of successful fights, you are guaranteed to be rewarded.

[Runespider]

If they are going to do anything about this they are going to wait a few more months, as stated in the last interview they prefer to punish us for a while first before taming it back. So they will let the hardcore players kill themselves over these VW drop rates going 1/200-300 and then add something to make them easier after we work our asses off on them. Teh thing they add that will make them easier will be the easiest so no point system or anything and just a straight drop rate increase.

I'm getting really sick of the only endgame content the game has being so unrewarding. I keep doing VW but I get more and more sick of it every time I get crap in the box.

I would truly love to see a bunch of average, Joe shmoe players be able to take them down efficiently, or at all.

Won't happen for around 5-6 months, they will nerf them back at that point I guess. Right now they are mostly zerg and proc often or they will wipe you fights (regardless of -dmg gear). there isn't much of a strat with them which is kinda dissapointing, it's just proc proc proc proc proc. They are impossible without proc/temps lol

The jp players do so well because they communicate more and proc better, that's why they are so successfull at VW with far less elite geared players.

[Zirael]

Having the monsters scale their difficulty, but also scale drop rates, based on the number of players engaging them, say from 6 to 18, would be a reasonable strategy to make Voidwatch more accessible while still making it profitable for a larger group to take part in the event. Obviously the drop rates would also have to be reconsidered as making them even lower than they are now for smaller groups would be preposterous, perhaps have a smaller group of 6~10 people have the drop rate that exists now while a larger group would benefit from enhanced drop rates. A larger group would also benefit from having more reliable procs.

This would serve to, again, make Voidwatch more accessible while still making it rewarding for larger groups, and it would also retain the difficulty of some of the T6 fights (which I personally enjoy).

I would also propose the addition of a token system, similar in fashion to the Trophy system added in Heroes of Abyssea. Tokens would be NM specific and could be traded in to an NPC for the items that the NM drops. Tokens per NM would also be based on group size to maintain the larger groups still being worthwhile. Only the higher tier NMs of their designated chapter and branch would drop these tokens.

Let's say...

Hahava - Intolerable Token
30 tokens - Ganesha's Mask
50 tokens - Ganesha's Mala
80 tokens - Mextli Harness

Voidwrought - Impenetrable Token
30 tokens - Strendu Ring
50 tokens - Strendu Mantle
80 tokens - Fazheluo Radiant Mail

Pil - Varna Token
30 tokens - Aliyat Chakram
50 tokens - Dilaram's Sollerets
80 tokens - Toci's harness

Kaggen - Mantoptera Token
30 tokens - Mantis Eye
50 tokens - Phasmida belt
80 tokens - Mekira Meikogai

Qilin - Zodiac Token
30 tokens - Houyi's Gorget
50 tokens - Fajin Boots
50 tokens - Lux Pugio
100 tokens - Coruscanti

Etc.

Could also add an option on the NPC that allows you to trade certain tokens for certain Magian Trial items so that, after someone already has the drops that they desire from each NM, they still have a reason to repeat the fights.

For example:
5 Akvan, Kaggen, Pil, Qilin, Aello, or Uptala tokens - 1 Riftsand
10 Akvan, Kaggen, Pil, Qilin, Aello, or Uptala tokens - 1 Heavy Metal Plate
80 Akvan, Kaggen, Pil, Qilin, Aello, or Uptala tokens - 1 Heavy Metal Pouch

10 Gaunab, Ocythoe, Kalasutrax, Ig-Alima, or Botulus Rex tokens - 1 Heavy Metal Plate
50 Gaunab, Ocythoe, Kalasutrax, Ig-Alima, or Botulus Rex tokens - 1 Riftdross
50 Gaunab, Ocythoe, Kalasutrax, Ig-Alima, or Botulus Rex tokens - 1 Riftcinder

1 token per fight for a group of 6~11
2 tokens per fight for a group of 12~17
3 tokens per fight for a group of 18

This would still mean that content is repeated several times, but it will also mean that you are eventually guaranteed the drop that you're after. This sort of system would not shorten the lifespan of this content for most people, quelling any concerns that the Developement Team may have toward that topic, however it would allow peace of mind in that after a certain number of successful fights, you are guaranteed to be rewarded.

It's been done in FF14 recently for Prime Avatar fights there, which have similar loot distribution system to this game's VW, but as the Devs have reminded us recently, FF11 is not FF14. Your idea has been adapted in quite few games, because it makes sense, but as per recent interview, Devs regret making Abyssea-style fun rewarding content, so I don't see your idea implemented anytime this decade, sadly.