Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Mahoro]

People acting like their LS mate will be giving these things away LOL. They might sell to the LS at a discount but few will give away Mils of gil. In before "My friends give me stuff for free" welcome to the exception not the rule.

A few LS mates will outright give stuff away to their close friends. More often, what will happen is that LS mates will offer the tickets to each other at discounted prices or for LS DKP. However, the system itself still caters more to large LS's, because the tickets will end up in the hands of fellow LS mates (whether for free, for gil, or for DKP) before ever reaching the "secondary market."

[Nynja]

helping a friend with something is one thing, but giving someone 150 mil worth of items.... L O L

[Ravenmore]

If people think other people will stop being human because its a video game are in for a shocker. Yeah they might give you a item here and there but reality is people are greedy no two ways about this. Are some less greedy then others sure but most are not.

[saevel]

If people think other people will stop being human because its a video game are in for a shocker. Yeah they might give you a item here and there but reality is people are greedy no two ways about this. Are some less greedy then others sure but most are not.

While you are correct about people being greedy, you are incorrect in how that works for humans. Humans are greedy and naturally seek to get more for themselves, their family and their friends, not necessarily in that order. Some random stranger will not give you a body ticket, a good friend that you've been playing the game with awhile will give you a body ticket if they know you've been after it and unlucky.

[Greatguardian]

While you are correct about people being greedy, you are incorrect in how that works for humans. Humans are greedy and naturally seek to get more for themselves, their family and their friends, not necessarily in that order. Some random stranger will not give you a body ticket, a good friend that you've been playing the game with awhile will give you a body ticket if they know you've been after it and unlucky.

If a friend forgets food, I'll give them a stack. If I forget echos, my friends will toss me some. If my friend gets a 2-3M item, I would not accept it for free. I would pay them at least 75% total cost. It's not greedy to expect some compensation for extremely expensive items, even between friends. It's greedy to expect them for free.

[Yarly]

Some random stranger will not give you a body ticket, a good friend that you've been playing the game with awhile will consider giving you a body ticket if they know you've been after it and unlucky.

Yes, I totally agree with my fixed version of the quote.

[Nynja]

Will i give my closer friends a ticket if theyre 5/6on body? Sure
Am i gonna farm up 5-6 tickets for them and give them all to them? No

[Nightfyre]

How many people would seriously consider buying tickets at significantly higher prices though? Price rises, fewer people buy, you have tickets in circulation but they're not selling, prices drop.

Gil may be easy to come by these days but I have better things to do than throw it at an item I may not even complete.

[Khajit]

How many people would seriously consider buying tickets at significantly higher prices though? Price rises, fewer people buy, you have tickets in circulation but they're not selling, prices drop.

Gil may be easy to come by these days but I have better things to do than throw it at an item I may not even complete.

Even so it's still unreasonable to expect the tickets to effectively net negative gil in profit and I hadn't even mentioned the 100k a stack Rubicund prices per run in the off chance GG had already calculated that in. As is stands there is no motivation to participate for a body ticket even at 2~3 mil a ticket simply because a better use of time would be do just about anything else down to farming geodes. Even worse is that the system SE gave us is so mind bogglingly retarded that it actually encourages people whom might have helped for the lesser drops to just buy a cheap ticket instead since a little voiddust can probably pay for the items.
To expect the prices to get lower relies on an expectation of human stupidity and as dumb as other players can be they still have the intelligence to go do better stuff when the inequity is pointed out.
Plus is doing a fight with the people trying to make gil that are too stupid to realize they're losing gil participating even if they get the "drop" really something you'd trust?

[Nightfyre]

You summed much of my thoughts up, but you didn't quite reach my conclusion. I think you excluded an option here.

Look at how many people currently don't use stones/cells if they don't want anything from the NM, even if it drops plates or riftdross/cinder. Ticket prices will be dictated by the price of voiddust, cells, and the rarity/demand of the item the ticket represents. Given that no Voidwatch item is powerful enough to drive price significantly above the sum price of the input items (in a perverse way you might even argue they're worth less), many will simply choose to forgo seeking tickets from a NM if they're low on stones (thus driven to use voiddust) and already have their desired drops. In other words, this doesn't even add enough incentive to use stones to justify its implementation. That's how bad this system is. It will barely (maybe) be worthwhile if you get a ticket for something you have and can sell said ticket for and you can also gain something else of value from the same NM.