Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Vortex]

Devs need to understand that their vision of the game should have ended in 2004, players vision is far more important. If we don't like something, and their are countless threads on this forum alone all echoing the same thing, change the retarded loot system, then they need to change it asap.

This is a PR disaster for them but alas they won't listen to anything except subscriber numbers dropping. Perhaps after Q2 figures are in they'll fire tanaka again.

It's a double edged sword, if they only take fan base into account, all you will need to do is talk to 1 npc for all your rare/ex items, that are 2 steps outside your house, 1 mob will level you from 1-99 and SAM will get zantestuken as a WS

of course thier vision of this game is very flawed but listening only to players won't help either, it needs both sides. but they are being stubborn.

[Camiie]

It's a double edged sword, if they only take fan base into account, all you will need to do is talk to 1 npc for all your rare/ex items, that are 2 steps outside your house, 1 mob will level you from 1-99 and SAM will get zantestuken as a WS

of course thier vision of this game is very flawed but listening only to players won't help either, it needs both sides. but they are being stubborn.

It doesn't help to grossly exaggerate to make a point. No one is asking for test server moogles in the live game. That's patently ridiculous. What I'm asking for is exactly what the devs want, but don't seem to understand... BALANCE!!

[Runespider]

I believe that effort does not equal reward in this case. It goes both ways - 95% of the server won't shout and will wait for the 2 same people on the whole server to make a VW group so they don't have to put in any effort to reap the rewards.

The alliance leader / popper should receive an ENHANCED drop rate or some form of beneficial reward otherwise once these 1 or 2 people finally get the body or get sick of organising a group (like I am about to be) - that NM will be dead along with the T4 home nations.

Square don't care about effort, only that you do it as long as possible and give just enough reward to keep you plugging away (some of us, like you and me need no reward at all it seems and although you say you are going to give up we both know you won't after putting up with it for 500kills), infact they would reward the more hardcore players less because those are the kinds of players you need to string along more. It's in their intrest to reward casual players easier than hardcore.

95% of the server won't shout and will wait for the 2 same people on the whole server to make a VW group so they don't have to put in any effort to reap the rewards.

You said yourself the reason they won't give the alliance leader a greater chance, they are the only ones that build groups for it. Once they get the drops they won't build them anymore and nobody will do VW. As a dev that's bad for pug content so why would they speed up it's demise? What you are asking for will NEVER happen, it's counter productive.

I don't think VW is completely random either, there maybe some system where the more you do it the less the drop rates get or something. I understand random but the players that do it the most seem to get the least reward and knowing Square they made it that way on purpose in some way.

The message this reply gives is that they aren't going to change it for a long time, they like we keep spamming it and if anything they want to make it harder to get them, not easier. If you do VW just keep plugging away but don't hope for positive changes because they aren't going to happen.

Devs need to understand that their vision of the game should have ended in 2004, players vision is far more important. If we don't like something, and their are countless threads on this forum alone all echoing the same thing, change the retarded loot system, then they need to change it asap.

This is a PR disaster for them but alas they won't listen to anything except subscriber numbers dropping. Perhaps after Q2 figures are in they'll fire tanaka again.

They know what they are doing sadly, VW was incredibly cheap content. It's just reused models from aby with reused proc systems all mashed together and we are doing it months and months after it was added due making sure we don't get rewarded and stop doing it.

I would think it more that Tanaka and crew are getting a pat on the back for this new event and loot system to me, keeping the rats running the cheaply made maze for a piece of cheese that you just can't get to.

[casual]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I would like an official response on this. The drop distribution from different VW NMs is not the same at all. From having seen well over 30 shiny bodies drop and a single HQ weapon (GK that went to a WHM mule), over at least 800 total fights with zilart having just about as many kills as jeuno, I'm fairly certain that the HQ weapon drop rates are much much lower than any other drop in VW. I don't know if this was intentional or not, but I only know of one person on my server who is not a JP that even has a coruscanti for example.

[Finuve]

I figured it out

FFXIV == Trainwreck
FFXI != Trainwreck

FFXIV != FFXI

NO BALANCE

so

Make FFXI = Trainwreck
then FFXI == FFXIV

BALANCE!

[Runespider]

It's actually quite funny now how how hard they are trolling here honestly (maybe it really is to try piss us off so much we swap to 14? XD), they know the uproar about VW loot system and they make a statement saying nothing but things to make everyone more angry. "Oh you didn't like when we pee'd in your cheerios? hmm we took your feedback about this into consideration and decided to take a dump in them too, look forward to it in the next update!.....and keep giving us feedback so we can flip you the finger some more later on too, thx!!" Takes a real hardass like to know when your playerbase is this addicted and you can totally ignore them, he knows us too well I guess...worst case scenario they can probably think of pissing us off is we move to FF14 so they don't care what we think or how mad we get.

It's truely sad how much like FF14 this playing out, players outraging seems to make them dig their heels in and make it worse lol They do not like being told they are wrong, ever. I miss the last aby dev team so much

[SNK]

I'm close to 600 Voidstones on my character right now and honestly I think it's best to just keep letting them build up instead of killing myself on this shitty lootsystem.

[Runespider]

I fail to see how this is useful over an "Add to treasure pool" option. It is still something that person already has and is "hitting the floor" only further proving that this system doesn't promote fair distribution to the population. The drop rates are already low as it is, so why this system doesn't allow a player who already possesses the item to give it to open lot treasury over destroying it doesn't make sense.

They don't want you to get the drops at all, it's already at the extreme to keep it away from you as much as possible without making people not do it at all. Adding to loot pool is about letting players attain their goals instead of work towards them, that's why they don't add it and never will till the content is outdated and there is a new carrot chase game added.

I'm close to 600 Voidstones on my character right now and honestly I think it's best to just keep letting them build up instead of killing myself on this shitty lootsystem.

For those of us that do VW regular there isn't a mass amount of other stuff to actually do anymore but yeah you are completely correct, avoid VW if you have other stuff to do It's rage inducing.

[Nynja]

Adding to loot pool is about letting players attain their goals instead of work towards them, that's why they don't add it and never will till the content is outdated and there is a new carrot chase game added.

Last I checked, working towards something involves progression. If I kill Kaggen 200 times and have yet to see a body drop, I'm no closer to getting it than someone whos fighting Kaggen for the first time.

Undoubtedly, you'll say the same about Salvage drops, since killing QQTH 100 times doesnt make a Macha's Coat more likely to drop, however there is still SOME progression involved as atleast your group can say "you've committed the most to the group without getting anything, its yours" when it drops.

[saevel]

They don't want you to get the drops at all, it's already at the extreme to keep it away from you as much as possible without making people not do it at all. Adding to loot pool is about letting players attain their goals instead of work towards them, that's why they don't add it and never will till the content is outdated and there is a new carrot chase game added.



For those of us that do VW regular there isn't a mass amount of other stuff to actually do anymore but yeah you are completely correct, avoid VW if you have other stuff to do It's rage inducing.

That's why I'm not playing the game hardcore right now. I don't mind doing some VWNM fights for fun or getting wins, but I absolutely refuse to sink 100+ fights for a single item. I'm not falling for their trap. Otherwise I'm only really doing dyna to get my RDM / BLU +2 relic items.