Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[FrankReynolds]

No he was not..

Right here:

Sure, some people would complain about a point system but overall you'd have people willing to group up because a reward would only be X number of kills away.

He's clearly talking about an in game system that keeps track of the number of times that a player has killed the NM.

.. for last stuff you quoted me, i wont even take time to answer, as this game never been in category you think "challenge" should be, it make me wonder why you even play this game or any MMO.

Getting lucky with chests requires no skill or engagement. Its not a challenge. It's something that people tolerate in lieu of an actual effort=reward system. That's perseverance. Rewards shouldn't be based on who can put up with the most BS. The challenge is the fight, and neither the degree of mastery with which you handle the fight nor the number of times you win, has any bearing on whether you get the drop or not. WOE taught us that SE is not good at creating systems that reward based on actual in fight performance. Trial of the magians however has shown that point per kill based reward systems are widely accepted by the masses, and encourage teaming up.

People play the lottery every week for years with the same numbers. Then some guy walks in, buys a quick pick and wins the jackpot. How friggin annoying is that? Not once have I ever heard anyone say "well, I just play lotto for the challenge.".

[Runespider]

So was it in dynamis, sky, abyssea, jar etc.

They just changed it all and made the drops easier to obtain, even salvage. Now they make one that's worse than ever, at a time when they game has almost no endgame?

If these drops were based on effort I would be right with you agreeing, since it's random luck which is total crap.. not so much. Your attitude is colored by the fact you got the drops and want to block others getting them now, if you still had none and were at the same 0/??? as the rest of us you would be singing a different tune.

aka you're full of crap and nobody is going to take you serious.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Just now off of Pil.

[Prothscar]

Having to fight the NM multiple times to get the item you want is to be expected in most any game, let alone an MMO. What would happen if you got all of your bodies/weapons in 1 kill? You'd be bitching that there isn't any content in the game. It would change nothing, you'll bitch regardless. Guaranteeing the drop after a number of kills and having a chance at the drop before then is a fine middle ground.

Go fight Botulus Rex, Ig-Alima, Kalasutrax and tell me it doesn't require skill or engagement.

[Ilax]

They just changed it all and made the drops easier to obtain, even salvage. Now they make one that's worse than ever, at a time when they game has almost no endgame?

If these drops were based on effort I would be right with you agreeing, since it's random luck which is total crap.. not so much. Your attitude is colored by the fact you got the drops and want to block others getting them now, if you still had none and were at the same 0/??? as the rest of us you would be singing a different tune.

aka you're full of crap and nobody is going to take you serious.

I am 0/48 on Qilin, 0/56 on Pil for body, 75/1,500 for my empy, i still spam him everyday. I'm lucky?, NO, so get off my toe.

Can call me full of crap as you want, i did not get all what i have watching my damn moogle spinning around in my MH crying day long.

Maybe VW is not for you, hey good news, there dynamis which give you currency everyday and can feel you "acrhive" something, and for FACT you will get something out of it.

Getting lucky with chests requires no skill or engagement. Its not a challenge. It's something that people tolerate in lieu of an actual effort=reward system.

Dude, the BASE of every MMORPG sit on LUCK... Perseverance + Luck = MMORPG. You sure you even love this type of game?

[Sparthos]

I am 0/48 on Qilin, 0/56 on Pil for body, 75/1,500 for my empy, i still spam him everyday. I'm lucky?, NO, so get off my toe.

Can call me full of crap as you want, i did not get all what i have watching my damn moogle spinning around in my MH crying day long.

So you've seen yourself that the current system is shit yet instead of realizing there are better ways to build a hamster wheel you laud the current system as a 'challenge' instead of observing that this reward system is just all sorts of bad.

Stockholm's. Look it up cause you're a textbook case here of it. Soon you'll be explaining how this system is superior and encourages challenge.... wait you did that already. Seriously. Challenge? All these shitty systems do is promote people to quit, take long breaks or otherwise look upon SE products as items created by sadistic Japanese men who want to see you suffer as deeply as possible.

YAY WE BEAT BOTULUS REX. WOO. GJ GUYS, WELL DONE.
What did we get?!
Logs, Ores, OMG OMG KNIFE DORP.
This'll look so good on my mannequin!
........

Maybe VW is not for you, hey good news, there dynamis which give you currency everyday and can feel you "acrhive" something, and for FACT you will get something out of it.

You mean those +2 items that want 20k EXP for -10sec on my 2hr? Yeah, 20000 EXP sounds good for some marginal upgrades that basically mean shit since all that matters is Voidwatch. If Abyssea was bad, give me some more and drown it in alcohol please.

The moogle should have been like:

Trial 2054 kupo? It's a poorly thrown together grind designed to get you doing something till we can bother to extrude out some new content, kupo!

Days of Dynamis for 10 sec off a 2hr... I can hear the footsteps of people FLOCKING to do this content.

The fact is that if the base doesn't accept a system it become progressively harder to make gains within the system. WoE? GL finishing a +4 weapon. Old WoE tiers? Progressively harder to setup. Interest in the game? Dwindling because Voidwatch is the only endgame that matters and most people are not going to put up with dozens of kills with no drops to show for it.

Sorry, there are too many other games out there for people to put up with Tanaka's old-world MMO development and the game is suffering yet again because of shit decisions.

Dude, the BASE of every MMORPG sit on LUCK... Perseverance + Luck = MMORPG. You sure you even love this type of game?

Bullshit. Other MMOs have understood that token (point) systems have valid application and that you don't make everything random if you want to succeed in keeping the valuable 'average' player. You need some instant gratification of people will lose interest and without fallback content? Yeah..

Sure, you can have some random rare drops to spice up the pool but everything? Only Tanaka could look years of MMO progress in the eye and simply ignore it for an all or nothing system where you get logs/ore or the HQ drops.

Stupid decisions like this is why SE looks bad in the MMO industry.

[Ilax]

Bullshit. Other MMOs have understood that token (point) systems have valid application and that you don't make everything random if you want to succeed in keeping the valuable 'average' player. You need some instant gratification of people will lose interest and without fallback content? Yeah..

In reference to WoW, yes of course, they have the money to spam billion of content, they have the player base that match the investment too.

Sure, you can have some random rare drops to spice up the pool but everything?

Stop trolling, out of all content that is currently active on FFXI, ONLY VW is rare/drop and more time sink.

P.S: For the update 0/74 on pil, hey i got 1 metal plate after 16x! Bet you by the end of the night i have body, if no, meh i will get tom or next day.

[FrankReynolds]

In reference to WoW, yes of course, they have the money to spam billion of content, they have the player base that match the investment too.

SE has billions too. FFXI is a drop in the bucket. They piss away more each year on the free promotional posters you see in the video game stores than it would cost to build an expansion. Don't kid yourself. FFXI started out strong like wow. they chose a business model and game design that drives away customers (IE. Voidwatch drop system).

Stop trolling, out of all content that is currently active on FFXI, ONLY VW is rare/drop and more time sink.

P.S: For the update 0/74 on pil, hey i got 1 metal plate after 16x! Bet you by the end of the night i have body, if no, meh i will get tom or next day.

lol @ the person who claims to like going 0/74 on a drop calling another person a troll. You are amazing. Truly epic.

[Ilax]

lol @ the person who claims to like going 0/74 on a drop calling another person a troll. You are amazing. Truly epic.

0/74 is nothing, 4 day is what it took me... i expect 2 week in worse scenario to get the body.

Is nothing compare HNM where you had to BOT 1yr long and risk your account to be BAN.

Is nothing compare SKY, SEA, Jar, ZNM, Dynamis, VNM where most of the item was 1yr wait....(Unless you cheated everyone, or started your own LS, get what you need and ditch who helped you)

Of course if you compare VW with abyssea then you can say: OMG DROP IS TOO LOW. But in fact Abyssea was never the "END-GAME" content, it was the transition from lv75-99.

Abyssea did open the door for new player to join, without have to invest 7yr in the game as we did to get good armor, we all 99 now, even player that joined 2 month ago is able to catch player that been playing this game for 7yr long. I think is time to resume FFXI now.

VW is the new End-Game that DEV released, and you think you should be able to get all armor after 1 week?

What is "Truly epic", is how you think DEV should spend 3 month to create new content that you can finish in 1 week.
What is "Truly epic", is how you can easy do dynamis now and get a RELIC to archive something instead bash on VW.
What is "Truly epic", is how it wont make any difference if you get the new Body and still have Ash club as main weapon.

What i am saying is there still tons of "Casual-Content" available in FFXI (hell everything is now..) that can keep you busy and happy, but instead you prefer to attack VW, and the whole reason is probably just because you want the "reward" without the work.

And don't get me wrong with my signature, i hate Tanaka for different reason... You cannot ask people to work hard on something and then reduce difficulty and make fun of them, this was BULLSHIT he said something like that in interview. I don't hate him because i had to do ~7,500 final blow for mandau, but because it took me forever to get it done, then he change it to ~1000 only.

I don't hate him because he put 1,500 plate i need for Empy lv95, but because i know he will reduce that to 150 when everyone ruined they life into it. Same go for 500 PW and 1000 ADL that going to take 3yr.

This is what i call a real "Hamster wheel", where you can just sit on your ass instead and wait they reduce difficulty, so what is even the point to do it, oh yeah for the fun of working 3yr long to get something 1 week earlier then everyone else? Ok right.. i pass...

If is what waiting VW, Nerf nerf nerf more nerf!, 100% drop all body go go!, then ya, this game don't even worth to be play, nor 14, nor any MMORPG SE ever do. Ill make sure to wait 6yr to play FFXIV so i can achieve everything in 1 week and play another game, at least i can save the 6yr of my life into a better MMORPG on market.

I love play MMORPG for a reason, if i was so worry for the time sink, i would just go play COD, PacMAN, unreal tournament, and so on. If SE don't understand that part, i am sure more then just me will end to stop playing they game.

[Runespider]

I am 0/48 on Qilin, 0/56 on Pil for body, 75/1,500 for my empy, i still spam him everyday. I'm lucky?, NO, so get off my toe.

Many of us complaining about it have done them far more than you seem to of done, I notice you are selective of the ones you have not got drops from, so I'm guessing you got the others pretty quick. Come back when you're 0/200+ on the body you want and 0/??? on anything of importance and maybe people will take you serious.

Can call me full of crap as you want, i did not get all what i have watching my damn moogle spinning around in my MH crying day long.

Looks like you haven't done much at all honestly, when I was 0/50 on Kaggen I was still enjoying it, not so much 0/200+ though, I've put more effort in than you it seems, you don't deserve the loot you've got maybe and need to put in more effort. Oh wait that's your stupid attitude.