Quote Originally Posted by Superchicken View Post
again i never said it was the optimal blade: hi setup it was what i had on at the time. And let point this out.

Everyone is so oh you gotta use Apoc atma cause it has triple attack blah blah. Ok lets look at like this

Apoc atma offers 15% TA. thats cool and all but lets think about this

VV offers 5% DA and the regain and the STR (which say is not necessary but STR translates into attack as well)

nin/war offers 10% DA rate through the war subjob

But then lets really think about apoc. Lets say i'm in a fight where i only get the chance pull of 3-5 weaponskills whats the chance of that TA actually procing on one of those weaponskills during that fight on blade hi? well if i did 5 ws's the chance of ta procing on even one of those is very very low.

Now over a course of 100's of weaponskills yeah the number of chances to actually get a TA proc on Blade: Hi goes up but is it worth it? to you maybe, to me the constant regain at 2 per tic tp is more appealing than a low chance to TA a blade: hi
brutal earring offers 5%
Twilight belt 2%
Atheling mantle 3%
Epona's ring 3%

so with VV instead of Apoc we are getting 28% double attack rate and 3% TA (from eponas) plus a 2% regain and 50 STR that always translates into some attack

with Apoc we are getting 23% Double attack and 18% TA (assuming that the TA on apoc is really truly 15%, and dont say its 15% cause people have tested. I don't take others so called test as hard evidence cause i could say hey i went and did 100 attack and 15 of those were TA's so its gotta be 15%. Thats not a viable test supply imo. Show me some hard evidence where you have done thousands of attack rounds to gain your data, but again same can be said for the things like brutal earring and the VV atma being double attack major = 5% to me that doesn't make sense if superior TA on apoc is 15% i would think major would be a little more than 5%. Things like epona's ring and twilight belt and atheling mantle we know are a certain percent cause it stats it there but even then could be wrong cause we all know SE has put stuff on gear and its not truly giving that stat the gear says.

So yes 15% TA is appealing for those times it procs on your WS and you get those big big numbers on your Blade: Hi but when people say you should be using Apoc all the time is pretty much out there. Like i've said i like the regain i get from VV in most cases cause it helps with constant tp gain. It's not like Apoc where a so called 15% of time i'm getting regain, its constant and thats appealing to me. Now someones gonna say but you get auto rr from Apoc so you should have it on for that. Yes auto rr is nice but i have a whm with me at all times to raise should i die from what i'm doing at that time, and yes i use apoc when a situation is there and i need it, but to say Apoc is a must have atma on at all times is a little much that i think alot of people are so into. APoc atma this apoc atma that!

but i know you are gonna now say "well you would trade 5% more double attack for 15% triple attack" and for most situations i would say yes as i have stated the regain is appealing to me along with the da and STR.

but lets go even further and look thiss. Lets say i'm in a fight where i only have the chance to do 3-5 weaponskills or say even lower if i'm fighint things that aren't nms and have much lower HP. Whats the chance that the TA is actually gonna proc on one of those ws's? its very low. Now over say 100's of ws ok the TA may be more appealing for out of 100 WS's 15 of those should have a TA proc and i can go "WOW did you see that DMG!!!!" To you that may be more appealing but to me i'll take the constant regain even if its only 2 per tic over a small chance to have a TA proc. But this is my opinion and you have yours. But when people say Apoc is a must have atma on for dd's is a little far fetched to me.

Now when i'm on thf i use the Apoc atma more because thf already has a TA job trait and more gear that has even more TA on it and i'm usually /nin so i'm not getting 10% DA from warrior job trait. To each his own though
i always full time Apoc because i dont like waiting for some AFK mage to raise me but i use it on melee and mage