Zanshin? why?

[hiko]

Yes, looks like I miscalculated the recast but I have to stand with everyone else saying that if you're using up your merits on blade bash then you're not playing right. Hobaku is good against most mobs, not unbeatable but very good. Shiki is useful in some situations, ukon war, pld with chivalry, and just so you don't get the hate from a 300% tp ws. At full merits on meditate and shikokoyo. You will be able to use meditate - sekkanoki - meditate - shikikoyo - meditate. Giving you the best way to use that extra tp which we really don't use all the time.

As for Zanshin, i see the use for it, not knocking it, but don't build to miss.

if you have a ukon war, a sam and a pld in the same pt you're doing it wrong,
if in this pt you die because you take hate after a 300TP WS, you, your healer, your war are doing it wrong too

agreed with your other stuff, but wth? skillchains are rediculous in and out of abyssea still, I'm a amano90 sam and make at least lvl 2 sc with almost all other ws's. I rarely get sc resisted even on mega's/shinryu/salvage bosses/etc.....

anyway, zanshin and the "zanshin" build have always been trash, we're so far past acc cap in and out of abyssea the vast majority of the time that it doesn't matter at all, its nice on the 5%~ of the time that it does proc because of the tp return and enhancements from af3+2, but you're really missing the mark if you're trying for -100 or more acc to try to make that crap proc more, more zanshin equip=less haste/stp/DA anyway (real DA, not someday my zanshin will proc and it will be a DA).....IF it does proc on ws, which there would really be no way to measure since 2-hand single hit ws have a huge acc bonus, then thats cool....but i would prefer if zanshin was just changed so that it made 100% of all your missed hits hit the target, putting sam at an artificial 100% acc cap.

Blade bash merits vs ikishoten.... personal opinion here, but lessening recast on a move that "may" stun the target isn't going to win you a fight, and if you think that way then your group of pink power rangers and white knights probably takes 18 ppl to kill an nm in the same time that it can be duo'd sam, whm or sam, rdm.... I put 1 in bash, 1 in shikkikoyo, max overwhelm, and rest in ikishoten, just because 1. you can use hobaku in place of lessened bash timer if absolutely necessary, 2. shikkikoyo is really only for long fights(5m+) that you actually prep for and actually have a DD that CAN(read: sometimes, for masamume and amano90 holders lol) out do you on that 1st ws ( e.g. ukon war), 3. overwhelm cus of...duh!, 4. ikishoten+ zanshin, WHEN it does proc is always nice, can end up with 30+ tp from 1 hit(60/90+ from da/ta), nothing replaces that really, you see a miss on mob with high eva and then your chat log lags because you just hit twice and ws'd in 1 sec right after your 1st ws and you hit a sc and you kill that nin mob in dyna that was about to 2hr rape your blm's that were too close(just a random example that has been known to happen)

3 ikishiten merit is totaly stupid, it will add 9(*stp) TP to your hit but wont lower your hit build by one, you just ws with a litle more tp, for it to not be useless it need to add as much TP as one extra hit
and no you cant have da/ta in a zanshin round (without the zanshincc double attack gk)

+using blade bash=> gekko instead of hobaku is a bigger dmg gain than you can get from ikishoten,

a blade bash fix so it deals dmg (like weapon bash )is enough to beat dmg boost from ikishoten

[Jomen]

@Hiko, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying having a war, pld and sam in one party (although totally feesible). I was saying in those specific situations, I enjoy having shiki to help out my comrades in arms get some tp. As for the 300%tp ws hate part, I usually duo with a dnc...and if I get hate....well...I'm usually dead haha.

[Laraul]

I remember when Zanshin was added years ago... It's a perfectly fine job trait. What isn't fine is telling other people how to merit or what to do etc etc. Let people experiment on their own please.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you're going to use a stun move don't use one that gimps your overall damage thereby making you kill the mob slower. Blade Bash is infinitely more useful than Ikishoten, and more useful than Shikikoyo.

If you're dying from a 300% TP WS with a dnc duo well, both of you are doing things horribly wrong.

[brayen]

Laraul, there is nothing to experiment with on stuff that is several years old, most of the arguments here are results of experimenting and calculations, if you simply wish to ignore facts that is all on you. You are being hypocritical telling others what they can tell others in a discussion.

[chrism]

I remember when Zanshin was added years ago... It's a perfectly fine job trait. What isn't fine is telling other people how to merit or what to do etc etc. Let people experiment on their own please.

Agreed, let other players make their own mistakes to determine what works best for them! Zanshin= usefull , Now lock this thread >.>

[hiko]

Agreed, let other players make their own mistakes to determine what works best for them! Zanshin= usefull , Now lock this thread >.>

agree zanshin is usefull.
enhance zanshin gear is not!

[Rambus]

so why is our set bonus on zanshin? and i thought it could work on ws ( i think someone said ealier that it didn't)

[Keiyoshi]

Zanshin works well for the weapons that are not primary like Polearm for instance.

Zanshin is an ability based on missing which in some cases may sound cool, but seriously... that's just dumb.. if anything SE should have made it so it works with WS. Like make it to where you at least get 50% of your tp back if you miss a WS...
I hope that SE does some adjustments to sam.. like have Zanshin do something better.... At least if Zanshin activated on WS's and gave a TP bonus, it would at least make Ikishoten worth meriting to max as well no? Because I know a lot of sam's can vouch for missing WS's.. especially in critical moments... In my case.. RvB assault for salvage points... was a dark day for me...

[Jomen]

@Neisan, it was just an example.

@Chrism and others, yeah you are correct. I was/am really proud of my merit build on sam and wanted to give insight as to why not to waste merits on other things but to each his own. Some people get the best performance meriting other stuff and some don't. It isn't my place to push my thoughts onto others. That said, I hope it comes back tomorrow! I want to try out some of the stuff I've learned from this and other threads.