Thank you for Stardiver!

[Ophannus]

Last Stand doing 2.2-2.8k on Pil, my Stardivers are doing 780-1700. So much for COR being a support job and DRG being a damage dealer.

[frozenbear]

"but it gives DRG something they never really had before, which is consistency."
" I dont think there is a mob in the game where I'm averaging under 1k damage."

Also even before I got my STR magian polearm, I was using Patentias Lance for great results, and that only cost me 50k or so.

The first two sentences I quoted only prove my point. I can't offhand think of a single DD job in the game that averages less than 1500 damage outside of aby and 2k+ inside aby.
As for the last bit, I'm not going to list everything, but trust me when i say that i am very well geared, and sport a 96 +47 str outside of aby. My point (and i feel that it still stands) is that Stardiver is underpowered. I don't think it would be unfair to expect more damage from it. You kind of avoided mentioning in your post how often you hit for less than 1k but by saying "I average" you make me pretty confident that you know exactly what I'm talking about.

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But trust me when i say that i am very well geared, and sport a 96 +47 str outside of aby.

Sorry but thats not very well geared. I can't recall my exact figures but I'm around 103+80~ STR before any buffs, so include Hasso, food and Bravers and I'm up to +100 STR in VW. And dont get me wrong, I don't think it would be unfair to expect more damage from it either, but it certaintly beats random as hell Drakesbane numbers, or consistent but rubbish wheeling thrust / calmlanns numbers.

My opinion is that the WS is fine though, but DRG needs to be buffed in other ways to get this WS damage increased. Every other job has JT's and JA's which they can use to help raise their WS damage, and short of Angon (Which is awesome but it's kind of expected that every mob has angon on it anyway nowadays) DRG really has nothing, no Double Attack, no Last Resort, no Warriors Charge, no Assassins Charge, no Sneak attack, no Overwhelm, no Attack Bonus VI, no berserk etc etc. I mean DRG is probably the only DD job who doesnt get access to an attack boost JA from main or sub job right now, no?

[frozenbear]

103+80? >.> I'm not going to call you a liar, but maybe a screenie of your stats? anyone else on here want to back this guy up buy confirming the numbers can go that high? i have the best gear you can quest/buy outside of the really crazy magian stuff and this dude just called my gear shite! anyone come close to/ higher than what he *says* he has here?

[Motenten]

Not sure what gear set he uses, but here's what I had in my comparison sets:

Langdebeve +3 (fire)
Pole Grip
Thew Bomblet
Varangian
Gorget
Brutal
Vulcan
Lancer +2
Lancer +2
Rajas
Pyrosoul
Atheling
Ele.Belt
Lancer +2
Wyrm +2


Which gives a total of +77 str. Could go to +79 if you sub a Pyrosoul for the Rajas, and +80 if you upgrade to the lvl 99 polearm. Can also add another +1 by getting a +4 str earring instead of the +3 one. Granted a notable chunk is from the weapon itself, with 10-11 str coming from that, so would maybe hit +69 if using a different weapon.

[Neisan_Quetz]

His set is posted earlier, feet is augmented hecatomb+1 with +3 Str, legs is Avant+1, body is Ares, head is Mekira-oto. I'm guessing earring is TP Moonshade.

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103+80? >.> I'm not going to call you a liar, but maybe a screenie of your stats? anyone else on here want to back this guy up buy confirming the numbers can go that high? i have the best gear you can quest/buy outside of the really crazy magian stuff and this dude just called my gear shite! anyone come close to/ higher than what he *says* he has here?

103+79, my apologies. But I can squeeze out 4 more STR in my rings when I get the gil, and 1 more in my head (but that will be a lot more gil...) and I suppose I could switch to Aces's Mail.. but I think the attack wins on Ares's? Unsure. I'll lose 2 STR when I switch from lolKemas Earring > Moonshade. But with all those uprades I'll still be over +80 str. So even without Magian STR weapon it should still be possible to hit +65 STR with relative ease, I'd love to see your gear set up if thats the case.

[Motenten]

Yeah, Mekira-oto and Hecatomb +1 feet are improvements. Upgrade the weapon and Ares is a tiny improvement over Lancer +2 body. Avant +1 legs are a wash vs Lancer +2 legs. So switching head, feet (more str total), body and earring (more damage total), plus upgrading the weapon, puts it at +79 str.

Overall, hitting the +80 range is perfectly viable, though it would be +70 with a different weapon (OAT, Store TP lance, etc).

[Meldity]

Last Stand doing 2.2-2.8k on Pil, my Stardivers are doing 780-1700. So much for COR being a support job and DRG being a damage dealer.

If you think that's cool you should see PLD's sword merit ws. In no time you'll be saying "So much for PLD being a tank job and DRG being a damage dealer."

Don't worry though our "Copy food effects to wyvern" with smiting breath+ strafe+gear and wyvern melee damage should even the odds. Not to mention our upgraded parrying+evasion+hp+healing breath. Wait a minute, are COR's support jobs or us? Hmmm... (observes the 0.5% alliance damage parse of wyvern)

[Ophannus]

I do more damage on RDM and PLD than I do on my DRG. My RDM's tier4's do about 1400ish when unresisted, Impacts do 1800-2.2k. Requiescat does nice damage 1300-1400ish, do some nice 2k Holy II's as well.