Offhand for almace

[Tashan]

Blank Gaze and Winds of Promyvion

Don't know why I need to set WoP but ok. Conserve MP taken out and Blank Gaze + Whirl of Rage added.

In fact, you might also want to not use spell Haste at all. Filamented Hold will overwrite your haste and ruin the numbers if you don't put it back up fast enough.... even a few shadow recasts or a heal might bone it.

It's Sticky Thread, it doesn't overwrite. Filamented is from the... tarantulas. Can't remember what they're called. Diremites, that's it.

Keeping the DEF buffs dispelled is going to be a hassle, but sure.

I'm changing camp. The one in Boyahda is too link and aggro friendly. There are LV98 crabs in Toramarai Canal which I'm going to /check.

In fact, I've been killing Orthrus a few times a week for the last few months with my lowman group. We only have one healer, so as BLU I don't melee on it at all. The main tank knocks it down in a rather slow fight so that the one healer can deal with the damage. Sometimes it doesn't work and I back-up tank until weakness fades. He's not even a NM whose moves I'd consider terribly bad except for the one at 50% that sometimes just drops anyone nearby

If we were still level 90 I may still be doing this. There's no reason to at 99 though.

As for the Odin Prime you were soloing... I wouldn't TP on him at all. It seems a lot safer to just use the tactic that people use on the NM sabotender that drops BLU body seals in Altepa (A). They don't melee at all, cast single hit damaging spells, and hit it with Reaving Wind so that it never uses 10K Needles. It's slow and boring, but it apparently works (I wouldn't know... I lowmanned the hydra in Grauberg for my seals and shadow tanked the crap out of him).

Still, what do you do about the Death effect? Just die, RR, wait to unweaken and then finish?

There's no reason to not melee on him. It's kill or be killed. As for Zantesuken, I decided I didn't want to be hit by that so it doesn't hit me.

[Tashan]

Crabs in Toramarai are DC. Eh I don't know where to camp for this.

[Prothscar]

Parses are a flawed base for evidence. Uncontrollable variables, while largely inconsequential for this situation, are variables that will play on the accuracy of a test. No situation will favor OA2-4, however, evidence like I have provided, cold hard numbers and actual data and comparisons that make sense is the only truly accurate method to gauge effectiveness in this and most any circumstance unless judging efficiency based on certain monsters or notorious monsters.

[Tashan]

As a teacher, there comes a point in time where you have to admit that the approach is just not working. While it may seem like it makes common sense to teachers, there's no use hammering home about it to the students again and again because they won't listen. Especially once we get older.

A parse is wanted and I've agreed to do it. I'll aim for a large sample size (100 mobs each probably) to arguably squash any errors and form a reliable average.

Plus, it's been years since I've done anything for the community. I don't mind.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I'd like to know this move of his that just 'drops anyone nearby' as I've eaten 3 Acheron Flame's in a row at 90 with only the brd mule dying and I was the sole healer.

Orthrus isn't dangerous at all and there's no reason to not kill it faster. If you're dying to his tp moves in one hit please reevaluate your dds and/or support.

[Tashan]

Gone back to Boyahda. Going to do crawlers and hope for no links.

Taking off Eva Bonus for Conserve MP to reduce downtime, and Wind Breath for stat bonus'.

[Prothscar]

As a teacher, there comes a point in time where you have to admit that the approach is just not working. While it may seem like it makes common sense to teachers, there's no use hammering home about it to the students again and again because they won't listen. Especially once we get older.

A parse is wanted and I've agreed to do it. I'll aim for a large sample size (100 mobs each probably) to arguably squash any errors and form a reliable average.

Plus, it's been years since I've done anything for the community. I don't mind.

Unfortunately you won't be able to squash the errors, any monster above a monster in a starter zone will see the gap between weapons increased, however I do understand why you're doing it as his resolve to not listen to what anyone in the thread says is astounding, even when provided with absolute logical and numerical evidence.

I'd like to know this move of his that just 'drops anyone nearby' as I've eaten 3 Acheron Flame's in a row at 90 with only the brd mule dying and I was the sole healer.

Orthrus isn't dangerous at all and there's no reason to not kill it faster. If you're dying to his tp moves in one hit please reevaluate your dds and/or support.

This. I lol'd pretty hard when I read that, as I duo'd Orthrus BLU+WHM(BLM mule that was only used for procs) the day it came out for enough stones to furnish half a dozen +2 bodies. Sounds to me like we're encountering that problem again, his healer sucks horribly.

[Tashan]

Unfortunately you won't be able to squash the errors, any monster above a monster in a starter zone will see the gap between weapons increased

What do you mean Pro?

[Prothscar]

Unless you're TPing in large amounts of STR, the 11STR on the fire sword is worth 2-3 levels of fSTR. 27.5 attack will also favor the str sword, especially on monsters as high as and of the type that you're fighting. Base damage will also favor str sword in this situation.


Actually, yeah, this parse is going to be pretty accurate in a conceptual sense if not 100% accurate statistically. It should open his eyes to how horrible the OA2-4 sword is in any applicable setting.

[Demonofhunger]

What do you mean Pro?

He's setting the stage to reject the parse if it doesn't dramatically prove him correct.

If it does prove him to be correct, he won't mention this issue again and will hail the parse as irrefutable evidence. He's set up this option as well.