[DEV1064] Tachi: Shoha

[scaevola]

Whatever man, believe what you like. I'm all for boosting other jobs, but the way I see things, SAM really should really be brought to WAR's level. After the Ukko nerf, that balance has been upset.

Okay, how about this: what if, in order to balance this new merit WS that isn't really any stronger than WAR's merit WS, SAM had to contend with it only making a level 2 skillchain with Konzen-Ittai, thereby severely compromising its single strongest JA and actually being weaker with K-I than Gekko, which makes Darkness?

Oh wait, Shoha already does that!

That's pre-nerf though :x

The new numbers will still be higher than Shoha and Fudo.

Qilin will still die faster than it takes to cap lights on him.

The only thing hurting after the WAR nerf will be Atoreis' self esteem.

[Quetzacoatl]

I'm pretty certain you were crying about Shoha even before the Ukko's Fury and Blood Rage nerfs today via test server numbers, so yes, I'll believe what I like, because you among crowds of others seemingly want to never do good damage ever in favor of balance(.jpg), instead of wanting to do just as much damage as the clearly relevant jobs currently (or job now, rather, since all that crying about Ukko's/Smite in the weapon skill thread clearly got through to them).

I've been talking about shoha because it's a complete outlier in the new ws they added and goes completely against their obvious intention of the new ws being side grades. I've done no "crying". I enjoy the delicious tears of people who piss and moan about random crap just as much as you do.

Besides, consider this: your shock-jockey posting style of "You're a big @^&%ing baby, stop crying" to get a rise out of people isn't that much different from me saying "nerf shoha, it's OP" to watch the sams rush in rage all over "the idiots who don't know how bad sam has it". Seriously, the only reason I'm replying to you is because I love to feed trolls.

Quoted for truth.

Even if I advocated boosting other Weapon Skills to make them just as good as Ukko's/Smite, wouldn't that idea get rejected as well anyway in the case of the game being "too easy?" Not to mention it would get shot down by SE anyway, so I'd like to see what you can offer better than I can.

Man up, IronPandemonium.

[Theytak]

An awful one at that, seeing how you're under the impression Shoha absolutely destroyed Ukko's Fury.

Oh wait, look at this: NO UKKO'S FURY OR EVEN VICTORY SMITE HOBOY.

Since when am I.... what? You're not even reading my posts. Where did I say shoha's stronger than ukko's? I've never denied that ukkowar/veremnk are stronger than sam... And also, obviously ancient/out of date gear sets are obvious...

[IronPandemonium]

Even if I advocated boosting other Weapon Skills to make them just as good as Ukko's/Smite, wouldn't that idea get rejected as well anyway in the case of the game being "too easy?"

Lv99 content has ~300k HP bars, whereas the hardest back at Lv75 had 60k.

You're absolutely fucking retarded if you think we should do doing Lv75 damage numbers at Lv99.

[Theytak]

Lv99 content has ~300k HP bars, whereas the hardest back at Lv75 had 60k.

You're absolutely fucking retarded if you think we should do doing Lv75 damage numbers at Lv99.

How would you know? You're level 1.

Moron.

[Finuve]

wait is someone trying to call jinte an idiot, now I've seen it all

[Frost]

ITT someone takes a screenshot of someone's maximum damage in Abyssea and takes it to be the norm...

How quickly recent history becomes all of history...

You do realize since the day sam was added to the game and up to the 2-handed buff, sam was a complete joke right? It's melee hits were weaker than a mnks, and a mnk can dish out those hits nearly 4x as fast? You realize War was in much the same boat at about the same time right? People think the 2handed buff was there since the game's inception.. So your cute little "Shit, game's going back to 2003" (paraphrased) comment is a little trite..

The only thing "2003" about SE is it's current thirst to nerf everything...

If you want this game to be better, don't cry for more nerfs.

SE follows that logic that if they can nerf everything into oblivion we'll be happy somehow; and you're feeding that. Instead, keep trying, politely, to get more buffs for weaker jobs.

I don't think Tachi: Merit should be nerfed. I think that all melee jobs should have access to a weaponskill that does about the same damage, balancing those jobs through the utility of the weaponskill.

For instance:

Thieves should get a weaponskill with "Critical Damage Bonus" to be enhanced by their SA and TA.

War should get a Crit-Hit WS with a lower hit count so be enhanced by their bonuses (Double Attack Critical Attack bonus)

Drk should get a decent elemental weaponskill (think Wildfire, not infernal Scythe...) to work better on physically resistant monsters, never miss, and is easy to mob with relatively easy to attain gear.


People scream for homogeneity and they don't even realize they're doing it.

Saying "I don't like pasta" without giving a better vision of what you'd like results in nothing.

Saying "They don't deserve steaks" without giving a better reason why doesn't do anything either.

[Quetzacoatl]

Okay, how about this: what if, in order to balance this new merit WS that isn't really any stronger than WAR's merit WS, SAM had to contend with it only making a level 2 skillchain with Konzen-Ittai, thereby severely compromising its single strongest JA and actually being weaker with K-I than Gekko, which makes Darkness?

Oh wait, Shoha already does that!

Kasha >> Shoha >> Fudo double-Light self-skillchain.

The new numbers will still be higher than Shoha and Fudo.

Qilin will still die faster than it takes to cap lights on him.

The only thing hurting after the WAR nerf will be Atoreis' self esteem.

I thought Fudo was fair for SAM, really. :S

[Tamoa]

Why are certain mongs comparing shohas from abyssea gdi abyssea is over, at least compare ws outside.

This.

While it was extremely fun seeing big ws numbers as sam in abyssea, it really doesn't mean much.

[Finuve]

Drk should get a decent elemental weaponskill (think Wildfire, not infernal Scythe...) to work better on physically resistant monsters, never miss, and is easy to mob with relatively easy to attain gear.

NOOOO FFS NO NO NO NO NO NO