[DEV1064] Tachi: Shoha

[scaevola]

do you want me to post a screenshot of me getting a 6k jinpu with AoA, too?

christ, you people

shoha is overpowered but reposting an abyssea triple attack proc over and over again like it means something is pretty dumb

[Hextitan]

That number is huge, though! Let me guess, WAR with Mighty Strikes up

Yeah, you got me :P

[Seha]

my Shoha's roughly average between 1.8k~2.3k outside of abyssea.

I think you need better gear.

[Genostar]

excuse me while I post a 4k Exenterator on Kirin on thief, ohmygod nerf dagger WS

[Quetzacoatl]

Not only this, and not only has VZX provided countless hours of research and information into weapon skills and how damage is actually calculated, but stating this:


"YOUR STR IS AUTO-CAPPED BY THE TIME YOU PUT ON CRUOR BUFFS"

You've automatically proven yourself incapable of understanding the WS dmg formula. I wonder what Shoha's mod is.

Oh wait, it's STR. Upwards of nearly 100%.

Crap, what's that damage formula again... directly from ffxiclopedia:

Damage = ( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP * PDIF

Where
D: Base damage of your weapon (e.g., Espadon = 43)
fSTR: function of difference between your STR and target's VIT
WSC: Secondary attribute like STR 30% (30% of your STR) * alpha
fTP : TP Multiplier (See individual Weapon Skill)
PDIF: function of (your Physical ATK/target’s Physical DEF)
WSC = integer(any secondary attributes) * @ (which is .85 at 99? I forgot already)

so let's take a 110 dmg gkt for the hell of it. weapon rank is 12. (110/9 = 12 + remainder 2)

fSTR caps at 20 in this case (weapon rank+8). so (str-vit+4)/4 = 20, (str-vit+4)=80, str-vit = 76. you need a difference of 76 str vs the mob's vit to cap fSTR in the first place. Cruor buffs don't always cap you anyway, but that's still not my point.

so where were we?

(110 + 20 + WSC) * fTP * PDIF

And this is where the point of this whole exercise is. WSC. What's WSC? A flat bonus from certain attributes for every weapon skill. And guess what?

It doesn't cap.

So not only is he getting an extra almost 40 ATK for all that STR on an atma in the first place (remember that patch a long time ago in a land far away for 2hd weapon jobs? oh yeah), he's also getting an extra 40 STR that's used as a secondary mod for a almost 100% STR ws.

Going through the rest of this exercise is pointless; if you don't see it and you don't understand it, have fun continuing to be terrible at this game. I need to get back to my job.

I stand corrected. Regardless of such, this just proves my point further on why Shoha should be nerfed. Thanks for the contribution!

[Genostar]

I stand corrected. Regardless of such, this just proves my point further on why Shoha should be nerfed. Thanks for the contribution!

actually it has nothing to do with it. the 7k shot was lucky as hell. I've done crazy damage with Raging Rush (6.5k) too.

Shoha doesn't need a nerf. Most of everything else needs a buff. Stop focusing on the wrong issue.

[Cream_Soda]

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT USING RAZED RUINS

YOUR STR IS AUTO-CAPPED BY THE TIME YOU PUT ON CRUOR BUFFS

Don't you talk to me about complaining when you're doing it wrong.

I see no point in using razed ruins, tbh, not on Shoha sam anyways. There's no ODD and you're only doing 4 swings between ws. Razed ruins does nothing on Shoha. I'd rather buff the major portion of my damage (I.E. The ws) than those pathetic 4 melee swings in between.

[darkhorror]

I can break 7k with the 1hand axe ws. I expect I should able to break 8k if given a triple attack without the mob dying before all hits land.

[IronPandemonium]

dark knight sucks and has always sucked so i'm going to cry about it on here

Do yourself a favor and cry about your own job's weapon skills paling in comparison to not only Samurai (obviously), but any other jobs' weapon skills (even Ukko's/Smite after the incoming nerf I'm sure).

At this rate with condescending players such as yourself, we'll all be left with weapon skills that do no more than a thousand damage on anything, with any weapon, ever, because level seventy-five damage numbers are clearly the numbers we should see at ninety-nine; fucking idiot.

[Genostar]

Not only is there everything I stated, and this axe comment, and the comment from Cream Soda, but keep in mind there are other WSes that also have STR mods that need a nerf, by your logic. I don't think this WS (Shoha) needs a 2x ATK buff and I don't think it has one that high, but it does have some of an attack bonus. Guess what also gets an attack bonus? Most of the other merited WSes for jobs that need them due to having lower damage rating weapons. Holy crap, logic. Even more logic: they get negative or no bonus at 100tp and get positive bonuses a little higher than 100tp. I can also name a WS I never use at 100tp outside abyssea, I wait for 120, say hello to Blade: Hi.

BALANCEEEEEEEEE

Also: Merit some of the other 2 hand weaponskills to cap, properly gear them, and see what kind of damage you get out of them. Resolution is also an STR mod, and hits 5 times, hint hint.